Freedom Flight Kit

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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by tsatpalkar » January 3rd, 2018, 10:46 am

Hi guys,
I am a student from Waubonsie Valley who ordered the Pusher Twins 2018 kit. Our kit did not come with the Full sized drawing sheets, or any sheets used to measure and markup components. Is this supposed to happen? How can I get these sheets?

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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by ScottMaurer19 » January 3rd, 2018, 10:49 am

tsatpalkar wrote:Hi guys,
I am a student from Waubonsie Valley who ordered the Pusher Twins 2018 kit. Our kit did not come with the Full sized drawing sheets, or any sheets used to measure and markup components. Is this supposed to happen? How can I get these sheets?
Assuming you ordered the full kit and not a partial, email the company. They will send you copies.
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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by Rêveur » January 3rd, 2018, 11:50 am

bjt4888 wrote:Regarding Reveur's question about building to the 3.0 gram minimum:

This type of "build to weight" analysis has been posted previously (Jeff Anderson posted a thorough version), but here's a version specific to this year's Freedom Flight helicopters:

This year's FF kit motor sticks are about 2.5 square inches of 1/16" sheet each. If you are using 5.5 cubic foot density wood, which is a 9.8 gram sheet of 3"x36" wood (if consistent overall, which it won't be), the motor sticks will weigh about 0.234 grams each. If you are using 4.5 cu ft density wood, which is a very rare 8.0 gram sheet of 3"x36" wood, the motor sticks will weigh 0.188 grams each. The lighter wood will therefore reduce the helicopter overall weight by 0.092 grams, which is a 2.6% reduction in airframe weight if you are assuming a 3.5 gram helicopter. Total flying weight, of course should consider the weight of the rubber motors.

When building to weight is challenging, every component, every stick of wood and other parts, should be evaluated in this manner.

Another example: the 3k carbon tow used to reinforce the motor sticks weighs approximately 0.0075 grams per inch; times 18" on each stick (9" each side), this totals 0.135 grams. The CA glue used to apply the tow can double the total weight, as constructed. Practice applying the carbon tow to scrap wood, weighing parts and final assembly to learn to minimize the amount of glue used. Glue, especially CA glue, is pretty heavy. Also, maybe compare constructed weight using different lighter glue, like Duco Cement. Test on scraps to see if you feel that the strength/weight balance is appropriate.

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Thanks Brian!
Your advice is so helpful and I'll definitely start analyzing the weight of each item while constructing helicopters from now on

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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by JasperKota » January 3rd, 2018, 3:25 pm

tsatpalkar wrote:Hi guys,
I am a student from Waubonsie Valley who ordered the Pusher Twins 2018 kit. Our kit did not come with the Full sized drawing sheets, or any sheets used to measure and markup components. Is this supposed to happen? How can I get these sheets?
I ran into the same issue - Dave is an incredibly friendly guy, shoot him an email about it and he will send you electronic copies, but if you can't print them easily (I couldn't) he will mail it to you as soon as he can.
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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by retired1 » January 4th, 2018, 4:30 pm

Complete FF kit for half price plus shipping.
For personal reasons, I will not be able to use it.

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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by SluffAndRuff » January 7th, 2018, 6:03 pm

The instructions to not explicitly state this (as far as I saw), but many teams crumpled their mylar before placing it on the rotors. The pictures appear to do the same, but once again, I can't find this stated in the instructions. Is this the proper way of building it? Thanks!
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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by ScottMaurer19 » January 7th, 2018, 6:26 pm

SluffAndRuff wrote:The instructions to not explicitly state this (as far as I saw), but many teams crumpled their mylar before placing it on the rotors. The pictures appear to do the same, but once again, I can't find this stated in the instructions. Is this the proper way of building it? Thanks!
Crumpling is the proper way to cover the rotors. Supposedly it has a similar benefit to the dimples on a golf ball.
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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by coachchuckaahs » January 7th, 2018, 8:33 pm

It also helps it to follow the compound curves.

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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by Raleway » January 8th, 2018, 7:02 pm

SluffAndRuff wrote:The instructions to not explicitly state this (as far as I saw), but many teams crumpled their mylar before placing it on the rotors. The pictures appear to do the same, but once again, I can't find this stated in the instructions. Is this the proper way of building it? Thanks!
The instructions clearly state to not crinkle for the fins as they do not contain curvature; however crinkling for the rotors is essential to have the mylar perform at its best (they have curvature). Good luck!
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Re: Freedom Flight Kit

Post by DaPlug » January 10th, 2018, 9:55 pm

For those who are building with this kit, what are the lowest weights you guys are achieving with the body by itself without rotors and for a rotor on its own?
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