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Post by bernard » August 31st, 2017, 12:20 pm

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Why is the Visibility marker black this year?

Post by PHXcoach » September 19th, 2017, 9:14 am

Can someone explain why the visibility marker has to be black this year instead of colored?

I preferred color which made it easier to identify planes both between and within teams.

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Re: Why is the Visibility marker black this year?

Post by Unome » September 19th, 2017, 9:16 am

PHXcoach wrote:Can someone explain why the visibility marker has to be black this year instead of colored?

I preferred color which made it easier to identify planes both between and within teams.
Perhaps there were issues with very light colors being used? I'm not sure, but that seems like the most likely reason to me.
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Re: Why is the Visibility marker black this year?

Post by bernard » September 19th, 2017, 9:44 am

Unome wrote:
PHXcoach wrote:Can someone explain why the visibility marker has to be black this year instead of colored?

I preferred color which made it easier to identify planes both between and within teams.
Perhaps there were issues with very light colors being used? I'm not sure, but that seems like the most likely reason to me.
The change should not be a difficult one to accommodate as black permanent markers are common.
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Post by coachchuckaahs » September 19th, 2017, 11:51 am

It would seem from the rules statement that the black markings MUST be from a magic marker? Does that mean one cannot airbrush with black ink or thinned paint? This probably means one has to mark the covering before application, or risk damage in trying to mark the built airframe.

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Re: Wright Stuff B

Post by chalker » September 19th, 2017, 6:45 pm

coachchuckaahs wrote:It would seem from the rules statement that the black markings MUST be from a magic marker? Does that mean one cannot airbrush with black ink or thinned paint? This probably means one has to mark the covering before application, or risk damage in trying to mark the built airframe.

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I'd suggest reading the rules a bit more carefully, as you some to be inferring certain things that don't appear to be explicitly stated. Regarding your question as to WHY this is a new rule, it's due to a very unusual arbitration that happened at the national tournament last year that centered around the meaning of the word "opaque", which is how the covering was previously described. To prevent any ambiguity in the future, they chose to use the word 'black' instead.

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Re: Wright Stuff B

Post by bernard » September 19th, 2017, 8:23 pm

chalker wrote:
coachchuckaahs wrote:It would seem from the rules statement that the black markings MUST be from a magic marker? Does that mean one cannot airbrush with black ink or thinned paint? This probably means one has to mark the covering before application, or risk damage in trying to mark the built airframe.

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I'd suggest reading the rules a bit more carefully, as you some to be inferring certain things that don't appear to be explicitly stated. Regarding your question as to WHY this is a new rule, it's due to a very unusual arbitration that happened at the national tournament last year that centered around the meaning of the word "opaque", which is how the covering was previously described. To prevent any ambiguity in the future, they chose to use the word 'black' instead.
Rule 5.c. states, "completely marked with black marker or black tissue." This allows only two options: marking with black marker or black tissue.
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Re: Wright Stuff B

Post by coachchuckaahs » September 19th, 2017, 8:37 pm

Thanks, Bernard. That was what I had read too, and thus my question. I guess to be safe (sans tissue) we'll use marker.

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Re: Wright Stuff B

Post by bernard » September 19th, 2017, 8:45 pm

coachchuckaahs wrote:Thanks, Bernard. That was what I had read too, and thus my question. I guess to be safe (sans tissue) we'll use marker.

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Coloring before applying wing covering is safer but I imagine coloring after covering can also be done by careful hands.
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Re: Wright Stuff B

Post by chalker » September 20th, 2017, 5:16 pm

bernard wrote:
chalker wrote:
coachchuckaahs wrote:It would seem from the rules statement that the black markings MUST be from a magic marker? Does that mean one cannot airbrush with black ink or thinned paint? This probably means one has to mark the covering before application, or risk damage in trying to mark the built airframe.

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I'd suggest reading the rules a bit more carefully, as you some to be inferring certain things that don't appear to be explicitly stated. Regarding your question as to WHY this is a new rule, it's due to a very unusual arbitration that happened at the national tournament last year that centered around the meaning of the word "opaque", which is how the covering was previously described. To prevent any ambiguity in the future, they chose to use the word 'black' instead.
Rule 5.c. states, "completely marked with black marker or black tissue." This allows only two options: marking with black marker or black tissue.
The point I was trying to make was that you could also use black tissue. That is to say that the black markings can be either from magic marker OR black tissue. I can understand that you were trying to refer just to the first part of the rule (i.e. if you don't use black tissue you must use a black marker), but I didn't want someone to read this is miss that important part.

Regarding using black ink or thinned paint instead of a marker, I can't think of any reasonable way that an event supervisor would be able to determine non-invasively whether the black mark was from a marker or those 2 types of things, so I wouldn't recommend getting too bent out of shape about this.

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