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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby robloxparodies » March 10th, 2019, 7:29 pm

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robloxparodies wrote:Hey guys, I finished my protein model for regionals but I have trouble trying to find ideas for "creative additions" to it. Does anyone know any good resources to get ideas for such additions? One person on this forum mentioned papers to look at but I have trouble finding them.



I used the paper here.


And the other recommended paper is here.



Thank you all! that helped a lot
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby Blank25 » March 10th, 2019, 7:50 pm

How much more complex should my prebuild model be for states compared to the one I used for regionals?
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby huppada » March 11th, 2019, 8:51 am

Blank25 wrote:How much more complex should my prebuild model be for states compared to the one I used for regionals?

Try to improve your pre-build by a lot. The rubrics used for states are supposed to be more nitpicky than the ones for regionals, so make sure your model is detailed enough to hit all the points. Start by nailing down your secondary structures, perfecting the sizes of the helices and beta sheets, as well as the spaces between adjacent loops and strands. Your creative additions should be properly oriented as well, and make sure they are actually relevant to the protein's function.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby Blank25 » March 11th, 2019, 2:19 pm

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Blank25 wrote:How much more complex should my prebuild model be for states compared to the one I used for regionals?

Try to improve your pre-build by a lot. The rubrics used for states are supposed to be more nitpicky than the ones for regionals, so make sure your model is detailed enough to hit all the points. Start by nailing down your secondary structures, perfecting the sizes of the helices and beta sheets, as well as the spaces between adjacent loops and strands. Your creative additions should be properly oriented as well, and make sure they are actually relevant to the protein's function.


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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby robloxparodies » March 12th, 2019, 1:27 pm

Will I get points off if the model is not exactly 2 cm per amino acid? I couldn't find a long enough toober so I made it 1.5 cm per amino acid.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby JoeyC » March 12th, 2019, 2:02 pm

You might if it looks a bit short, but I don't think I've had a problem
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby CookiePie1 » March 12th, 2019, 4:12 pm

JoeyC wrote:You might if it looks a bit short, but I don't think I've had a problem


As long as you scale it down, properly, and fold everything tighter, you should be fine. Although, folding tightly with toobers is rather difficult.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby huppada » March 12th, 2019, 5:07 pm

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JoeyC wrote:You might if it looks a bit short, but I don't think I've had a problem


As long as you scale it down, properly, and fold everything tighter, you should be fine. Although, folding tightly with toobers is rather difficult.

What do you suggest to use instead of toobers? I agree, toobers are a bit bulky and are easily worn out.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby CookiePie1 » March 12th, 2019, 5:41 pm

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JoeyC wrote:You might if it looks a bit short, but I don't think I've had a problem


As long as you scale it down, properly, and fold everything tighter, you should be fine. Although, folding tightly with toobers is rather difficult.

What do you suggest to use instead of toobers? I agree, toobers are a bit bulky and are easily worn out.


Garden wire works very well, and i've seen some schools use pipe cleaners as well.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby JoeyC » March 12th, 2019, 6:01 pm

Just be warned, some proctors don't like it if you don't use toober :cry: .
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby huppada » March 13th, 2019, 2:45 pm

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As long as you scale it down, properly, and fold everything tighter, you should be fine. Although, folding tightly with toobers is rather difficult.

What do you suggest to use instead of toobers? I agree, toobers are a bit bulky and are easily worn out.


Garden wire works very well, and i've seen some schools use pipe cleaners as well.

Isn't garden wire too thin though? Is that fine?

JoeyC wrote:Just be warned, some proctors don't like it if you don't use toober :cry: .

Really? Have you had any bad experiences with this?
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby CookiePie1 » March 13th, 2019, 3:01 pm

huppada wrote:
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huppada wrote:What do you suggest to use instead of toobers? I agree, toobers are a bit bulky and are easily worn out.


Garden wire works very well, and i've seen some schools use pipe cleaners as well.

Isn't garden wire too thin though? Is that fine?


There's no rule against it, as long as you follow the 2 cm scaling. Teams have done really, really well with it.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby JoeyC » March 13th, 2019, 3:17 pm

I'm pretty sure I get docked points by some proctors.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby CookiePie1 » March 13th, 2019, 3:52 pm

JoeyC wrote:I'm pretty sure I get docked points by some proctors.


They can't dock points for not using mini toobers. If kids are forced to use a certain kit, that discriminates against kids who can't get access to that kit.
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Re: Protein Modeling C

Postby JoeyC » March 13th, 2019, 3:56 pm

Technically they can't, but if they want to say that they can't tell if there's a loop or not, they can. :cry:
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