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Sounds of Music C

Postby Adi1008 » August 5th, 2018, 9:51 am

Sounds of Music C: Teams must construct and tune one device prior to the tournament based on a 12-tone equal tempered scale and complete a written test on the physics of sound.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » September 3rd, 2018, 7:04 pm

It really is a lot more like the other build-physics events now, huh. There's a written test and one build instead of two. They've really cracked down on the subjectivity issue. Question: is this getting a subforum like thermo?

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Unome » September 3rd, 2018, 7:11 pm

It really is a lot more like the other build-physics events now, huh. There's a written test and one build instead of two. They must have really cracked down on the subjectivity issue. Question: is this getting a subforum like thermo?
Currently, there is no subforum this year based on a dearth of past activity.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » September 4th, 2018, 6:02 am

Sounds of Music C: Teams must construct and tune one device prior to the tournament based on a 12-tone equal tempered scale and complete a written test on the physics of sound.

Sounds of Music Wiki

Sounds of Music Test Exchange 2014

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Past Threads: 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014

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The 2013 link points to the Boomilever forum.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Person » September 4th, 2018, 1:26 pm

Sounds of Music C: Teams must construct and tune one device prior to the tournament based on a 12-tone equal tempered scale and complete a written test on the physics of sound.

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Sounds of Music Test Exchange 2014

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The 2013 link points to the Boomilever forum.
It should link to the right thread now, thanks for letting us know!
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby TheSquaad » September 8th, 2018, 8:18 am

Shouldn’t this forum go under the build event section

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby TheSquaad » September 8th, 2018, 8:22 am

Also, the rules say that the best value during the five seconds will be counted for the pitch score. Does this mean that if you had, say a Slide whistle, and slid from a flat F to a sharp F during those 5 seconds—because you hit an in tune F at some point, you would get max points?

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Anomaly » September 8th, 2018, 11:06 am

Shouldn’t this forum go under the build event section
This is under the lab event section because along with the build portion, there is a test section as well.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby SciolyMaster » September 8th, 2018, 11:31 am

Shouldn’t this forum go under the build event section
This is under the lab event section because along with the build portion, there is a test section as well.
Why can't it be under both?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby terence.tan » September 8th, 2018, 1:11 pm

Also, the rules say that the best value during the five seconds will be counted for the pitch score. Does this mean that if you had, say a Slide whistle, and slid from a flat F to a sharp F during those 5 seconds—because you hit an in tune F at some point, you would get max points?
that is a clever idea but only deices with a quick decay time can have multiple attacks on the note. ( hitting a mallet or plucking string) and a slide whistle doesnt meet those constraints
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » September 8th, 2018, 2:14 pm

Shouldn’t this forum go under the build event section
This is under the lab event section because along with the build portion, there is a test section as well.
Why can't it be under both?
This way, all of the information about the event is gatheted together. If this thread gets really active, the mods might make a subforum for the build like they did with thermo.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby TheSquaad » September 8th, 2018, 3:03 pm

Also, the rules say that the best value during the five seconds will be counted for the pitch score. Does this mean that if you had, say a Slide whistle, and slid from a flat F to a sharp F during those 5 seconds—because you hit an in tune F at some point, you would get max points?
that is a clever idea but only deices with a quick decay time can have multiple attacks on the note. ( hitting a mallet or plucking string) and a slide whistle doesnt meet those constraints
But if you kept blowing for 5 seconds straight, wouldn't it still count as a single attack?

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Postby mjcox2000 » September 8th, 2018, 4:08 pm

Also, the rules say that the best value during the five seconds will be counted for the pitch score. Does this mean that if you had, say a Slide whistle, and slid from a flat F to a sharp F during those 5 seconds—because you hit an in tune F at some point, you would get max points?
that is a clever idea but only deices with a quick decay time can have multiple attacks on the note. ( hitting a mallet or plucking string) and a slide whistle doesnt meet those constraints
But if you kept blowing for 5 seconds straight, wouldn't it still count as a single attack?
That plan relies on the tuner refreshing continuously. If the tuner display refreshes infrequently, even though the slide whistle passes through F, the tuner may not capture that very moment. The judge may also be blinking at that very moment. In general, even though you’re guaranteed to be in tune at some point during the 5 seconds if you use your strategy, it’s not a safe strategy because there’s no guarantee the judge/tuner will catch the very moment you’re in tune.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Riptide » September 8th, 2018, 5:17 pm

that is a clever idea but only deices with a quick decay time can have multiple attacks on the note. ( hitting a mallet or plucking string) and a slide whistle doesnt meet those constraints
But if you kept blowing for 5 seconds straight, wouldn't it still count as a single attack?
That plan relies on the tuner refreshing continuously. If the tuner display refreshes infrequently, even though the slide whistle passes through F, the tuner may not capture that very moment. The judge may also be blinking at that very moment. In general, even though you’re guaranteed to be in tune at some point during the 5 seconds if you use your strategy, it’s not a safe strategy because there’s no guarantee the judge/tuner will catch the very moment you’re in tune.
The scoring is based off of the closest cent to the target. I would hope that tuners would record continuously on some sort of device (like labquest does in physics labs) because if the judge is simply observing the device for the best measurement he/she might miss what would be the closest cent. As a musician, I know that tuners change their measurement very quickly and it would be very inaccurate to simply observe the tuner as a way to record the score. I have no idea how the cent value is going to be recorded in competition, but if it is done by eye I would agree that it would be risky to use the method Squad thought of.

Edit: Found a site that might give an example of what I'm talking about here. The software records statistics on both the volume and the pitch.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby chalker » September 9th, 2018, 6:38 pm

Also, the rules say that the best value during the five seconds will be counted for the pitch score. Does this mean that if you had, say a Slide whistle, and slid from a flat F to a sharp F during those 5 seconds—because you hit an in tune F at some point, you would get max points?
that is a clever idea but only deices with a quick decay time can have multiple attacks on the note. ( hitting a mallet or plucking string) and a slide whistle doesnt meet those constraints
I think everyone is missing a very important part of that rule, which is the first few words that say you can only play 1 pitch....

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