Sounds of Music C

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » May 17th, 2019, 7:33 pm

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mjcox2000 wrote: While I could see that argument being made, I could just as easily see someone asserting that a 698.4 Hz note is a different note from a 698.5 Hz note. I think a reasonable event supervisor would side with your view, but I think the clarification as written might give even the most by-the-book event supervisor latitude to take either side.
"If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded."

That seems pretty unambiguous to me.

You have to announce your scale and starting pitch. So you tell the ES that you're playing F major, ascending, starting on F2. If your F2 is a bit flat, you're still OK - you score for the cents that you're flat by.

You may not attempt to play a scale containing notes lower than F2 or higher than F5.
Agreed, it seems clear to me.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by TheSquaad » June 5th, 2019, 9:36 pm

What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by wec01 » June 6th, 2019, 10:21 am

TheSquaad wrote:What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by olivia.m19 » June 6th, 2019, 10:30 am

wec01 wrote:
TheSquaad wrote:What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by wec01 » June 6th, 2019, 11:17 am

olivia.m19 wrote:
wec01 wrote:
TheSquaad wrote:What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
Oh, actually now that I'm looking at chalker's post again, since it says people shouldn't worry about keeping devices secret, maybe there are changes that are that big. I think it would be plausible that the format of the device testing is changing altogether, like TheSquaad's speculations, but it would be hard to predict how.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by trdd » June 7th, 2019, 11:52 am

wec01 wrote:
olivia.m19 wrote:
wec01 wrote: I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
Oh, actually now that I'm looking at chalker's post again, since it says people shouldn't worry about keeping devices secret, maybe there are changes that are that big. I think it would be plausible that the format of the device testing is changing altogether, like TheSquaad's speculations, but it would be hard to predict how.
Where is "chalker's post" and what are "TheSquaad's speculations?" I would love it if they change it so instruments playing by itself whether music box type or computer controlled. ...but that it is a REAL instrument to be played. That is: No speakers. Or maybe do it the other way around.... That students will construct a device that plays an instrument provided by the event supervisor with certain specs. Like building a device that plays a real piano supplied by the competition and then measure the play against an algorithm to determine if the timing and dynamics is correct.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by chalker » June 7th, 2019, 7:32 pm

trdd wrote:
wec01 wrote:
olivia.m19 wrote: don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
Oh, actually now that I'm looking at chalker's post again, since it says people shouldn't worry about keeping devices secret, maybe there are changes that are that big. I think it would be plausible that the format of the device testing is changing altogether, like TheSquaad's speculations, but it would be hard to predict how.
Where is "chalker's post" and what are "TheSquaad's speculations?" I would love it if they change it so instruments playing by itself whether music box type or computer controlled. ...but that it is a REAL instrument to be played. That is: No speakers. Or maybe do it the other way around.... That students will construct a device that plays an instrument provided by the event supervisor with certain specs. Like building a device that plays a real piano supplied by the competition and then measure the play against an algorithm to determine if the timing and dynamics is correct.
While an interesting idea, that's not going to happen as it's too drastic. Yes, we are making some 'significant' changes to the event. We are still working through them, but the bottom line is that I think many devices from this past season will no longer be 'optimal' and thus warrant changes for the new rules. There has been a lot of discussion amongst the state directors and rules committee about this event and I think we've generally settled on some good conceptual tweaks based upon our experiences with it this year. We are still working on translating those concepts into actual revisions to the rules.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by eagerlearner102 » July 17th, 2019, 12:52 pm

Do people get disqualified for using the same prototype if they are competing in the same event for the second year? I did well on Sounds of Music and I don't feel like changing my prototype by a lot. I will rebuild it but it will still be F major starting at F4.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by wec01 » July 18th, 2019, 8:31 am

eagerlearner102 wrote:Do people get disqualified for using the same prototype if they are competing in the same event for the second year? I did well on Sounds of Music and I don't feel like changing my prototype by a lot. I will rebuild it but it will still be F major starting at F4.
As long as you are a primary builder you won't be penalized for using the same device. However, based on what people have been saying, the rules are likely to change and your device may not be optimal next year.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Post by eagerlearner102 » August 12th, 2019, 8:57 am

Thanks for the advice!
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