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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby kate! » February 18th, 2019, 6:51 pm

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Reema.panini wrote:So does anyone know for sure if the species that they are using in the tests are gonna be from North America only? We’ve been studying those species, but from reading through, it looks like we should study for every other specie as well.

First of all, we live in North America, so it's very likely that we'd be tested on North American specimens, just like at a state competition the test writer might ask a question about your specific state. Second of all, we only study the taxa on the official list, and we're only really supposed to study species if the genus has two major ones and we need to know the difference. (For example, genus Glyptemys with bog turtle and wood turtle.) But you should only be taking notes on genera and higher classifications on the list (except the ones I just described).


Ok so I actually just got put onto this event cuz the other person dropped out so I really have no clue what to do and my regional comp is in a couple of weeks. I’ve been using the National Audubon Society Field Guide, but I’ve been getting confused because, for example, under Mud turtles, it lists the the species Mexican, Sonora, Striped, Yellow, and then a Mud Turtle with the subspecies Eastern (k.s.subrubrum), Florida (k.s.steindachneri), and Mississippi (k.s.hippocrepis). I don’t know whether to list info for all the species, only use the specific Mud Turtle listing, or just only put the general info it gave at the top of the section on the entire Kinosternidae family. So hopefully you can understand my confusion. I would ask my partner but she hasn’t done anything at all regarding this event. Thanks!

First of all, you should be using more than just one resource. Field guides aren't always the best, so try using websites like Animal Diversity Web. For that specific situation, you only need to know about the family Kinosternidae. You only have to write information about what is listed on the official list. If it says family, do info about the entire family, not the genera within it (unless those are also listed).
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » February 18th, 2019, 6:53 pm

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Reema.panini wrote:
kate! wrote:First of all, we live in North America, so it's very likely that we'd be tested on North American specimens, just like at a state competition the test writer might ask a question about your specific state. Second of all, we only study the taxa on the official list, and we're only really supposed to study species if the genus has two major ones and we need to know the difference. (For example, genus Glyptemys with bog turtle and wood turtle.) But you should only be taking notes on genera and higher classifications on the list (except the ones I just described).


Ok so I actually just got put onto this event cuz the other person dropped out so I really have no clue what to do and my regional comp is in a couple of weeks. I’ve been using the National Audubon Society Field Guide, but I’ve been getting confused because, for example, under Mud turtles, it lists the the species Mexican, Sonora, Striped, Yellow, and then a Mud Turtle with the subspecies Eastern (k.s.subrubrum), Florida (k.s.steindachneri), and Mississippi (k.s.hippocrepis). I don’t know whether to list info for all the species, only use the specific Mud Turtle listing, or just only put the general info it gave at the top of the section on the entire Kinosternidae family. So hopefully you can understand my confusion. I would ask my partner but she hasn’t done anything at all regarding this event. Thanks!

First of all, you should be using more than just one resource. Field guides aren't always the best, so try using websites like Animal Diversity Web. For that specific situation, you only need to know about the family Kinosternidae. You only have to write information about what is listed on the official list. If it says family, do info about the entire family, not the genera within it (unless those are also listed).

If there are important differences between the genera, then those are also worth noting down

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Reema.panini » February 18th, 2019, 6:59 pm

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kate! wrote:
Reema.panini wrote:
Ok so I actually just got put onto this event cuz the other person dropped out so I really have no clue what to do and my regional comp is in a couple of weeks. I’ve been using the National Audubon Society Field Guide, but I’ve been getting confused because, for example, under Mud turtles, it lists the the species Mexican, Sonora, Striped, Yellow, and then a Mud Turtle with the subspecies Eastern (k.s.subrubrum), Florida (k.s.steindachneri), and Mississippi (k.s.hippocrepis). I don’t know whether to list info for all the species, only use the specific Mud Turtle listing, or just only put the general info it gave at the top of the section on the entire Kinosternidae family. So hopefully you can understand my confusion. I would ask my partner but she hasn’t done anything at all regarding this event. Thanks!

First of all, you should be using more than just one resource. Field guides aren't always the best, so try using websites like Animal Diversity Web. For that specific situation, you only need to know about the family Kinosternidae. You only have to write information about what is listed on the official list. If it says family, do info about the entire family, not the genera within it (unless those are also listed).

If there are important differences between the genera, then those are also worth noting down


Ok thanks! That really cleared it up for me!
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 19th, 2019, 6:04 pm

Have you guys seen an abundance of cladograms on your past tests, or are they farely rare?
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » February 19th, 2019, 6:18 pm

GurtYo wrote:Have you guys seen an abundance of cladograms on your past tests, or are they farely rare?

Fairly rare, although be prepared to answer how different genera/families are similar anatomically

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 20th, 2019, 1:36 pm

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GurtYo wrote:Have you guys seen an abundance of cladograms on your past tests, or are they farely rare?

Fairly rare, although be prepared to answer how different genera/families are similar anatomically

Will identifying from skeleton also be rare?
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby RRapples » February 20th, 2019, 3:25 pm

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GurtYo wrote:Have you guys seen an abundance of cladograms on your past tests, or are they farely rare?

Fairly rare, although be prepared to answer how different genera/families are similar anatomically

Will identifying from skeleton also be rare?


I've seen skeletons on most tests that I've taken. You should definitely prepare for them.
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Postby BennyTheJett » February 21st, 2019, 2:29 pm

What is the recommended layout for binders since you can only have 2 inches of material? Thanks for the help.
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BennyTheJett wrote:What is the recommended layout for binders since you can only have 2 inches of material? Thanks for the help.

It's worth noting that even with two inches, you can still have over three pages per specimen on the list.

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Re: Herpetology B/C

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BennyTheJett wrote:What is the recommended layout for binders since you can only have 2 inches of material? Thanks for the help.

It's worth noting that even with two inches, you can still have over three pages per specimen on the list.


So focus on the list. Is there anything really major outside of the list to take notes on?
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Kyanite » February 21st, 2019, 3:25 pm

BennyTheJett wrote:
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BennyTheJett wrote:What is the recommended layout for binders since you can only have 2 inches of material? Thanks for the help.

It's worth noting that even with two inches, you can still have over three pages per specimen on the list.


So focus on the list. Is there anything really major outside of the list to take notes on?


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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby cbrant554 » February 26th, 2019, 4:22 pm

Does anyone by chance have the pictures of the live specimen at the UMICH invite?

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 28th, 2019, 7:58 am

I can seem to find very much information about Batrachoseps (slender salamander). Anyone else have some luck?
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 28th, 2019, 8:11 am

GurtYo wrote:I can seem to find very much information about Batrachoseps (slender salamander). Anyone else have some luck?


The same thing goes for web-toed salamanders (Hydromantes)
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby emmalasagna » February 28th, 2019, 8:42 am

GurtYo wrote:
GurtYo wrote:I can seem to find very much information about Batrachoseps (slender salamander). Anyone else have some luck?


The same thing goes for web-toed salamanders (Hydromantes)


Sometimes, info can be hard to find for genera since many websites are a lot more detailed about species. When I can't find a lot of info about a genus, I'll usually just look at some of the most common species and combine info from those. It's not perfect, but it works.
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