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Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 3:16 pm
by dish123
Kyanite wrote:
dish123 wrote:We are having a little trouble with fact sheets? Where can we find information? How much do we need? What websites should we use? Do they have to be only for our state for "where they are found" or all of the country?


You use various sources, ie: Wiki, Field Guides and various websites, here are some links to get you started.
https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Herpetology http://www.californiaherps.com/ http://www.michherp.org/miherps.html https://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/herps.html
For another way to find resources go to the specimens wiki page and use the links they had referenced to create the page.

You put down as much information as you feel you need/want, typically in the past I would have included: Name, Characteristics, Pictures, Size, Colors, Reproduction, Feeding habits, Name origin, "Fun facts", anatomical aspects, locations where its found and any relation to people whether its a threat, economic resource or threatened by people. Make sure you know the gist of the information rather then just copying and pasting wiki pages.

You should include every location they are present within the US not just to your state.


Thanks!

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: January 26th, 2019, 3:40 pm
by UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F
Kyanite wrote:
dish123 wrote:We are having a little trouble with fact sheets? Where can we find information? How much do we need? What websites should we use? Do they have to be only for our state for "where they are found" or all of the country?


You use various sources, ie: Wiki, Field Guides and various websites, here are some links to get you started.
https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Herpetology http://www.californiaherps.com/ http://www.michherp.org/miherps.html https://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/herps.html
For another way to find resources go to the specimens wiki page and use the links they had referenced to create the page.

You put down as much information as you feel you need/want, typically in the past I would have included: Name, Characteristics, Pictures, Size, Colors, Reproduction, Feeding habits, Name origin, "Fun facts", anatomical aspects, locations where its found and any relation to people whether its a threat, economic resource or threatened by people. Make sure you know the gist of the information rather then just copying and pasting wiki pages.

You should include every location they are present within the US not just to your state.

Also Wikipedia

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 1st, 2019, 1:49 pm
by venusaur711
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:
Kyanite wrote:
dish123 wrote:We are having a little trouble with fact sheets? Where can we find information? How much do we need? What websites should we use? Do they have to be only for our state for "where they are found" or all of the country?


You use various sources, ie: Wiki, Field Guides and various websites, here are some links to get you started.
https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Herpetology http://www.californiaherps.com/ http://www.michherp.org/miherps.html https://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/herps.html
For another way to find resources go to the specimens wiki page and use the links they had referenced to create the page.

You put down as much information as you feel you need/want, typically in the past I would have included: Name, Characteristics, Pictures, Size, Colors, Reproduction, Feeding habits, Name origin, "Fun facts", anatomical aspects, locations where its found and any relation to people whether its a threat, economic resource or threatened by people. Make sure you know the gist of the information rather then just copying and pasting wiki pages.

You should include every location they are present within the US not just to your state.

Also Wikipedia


Is Wikipedia a super rel able resource though?

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 1st, 2019, 1:49 pm
by venusaur711
venusaur711 wrote:
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:
Kyanite wrote:
You use various sources, ie: Wiki, Field Guides and various websites, here are some links to get you started.
https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Herpetology http://www.californiaherps.com/ http://www.michherp.org/miherps.html https://lsa.umich.edu/ummz/herps.html
For another way to find resources go to the specimens wiki page and use the links they had referenced to create the page.

You put down as much information as you feel you need/want, typically in the past I would have included: Name, Characteristics, Pictures, Size, Colors, Reproduction, Feeding habits, Name origin, "Fun facts", anatomical aspects, locations where its found and any relation to people whether its a threat, economic resource or threatened by people. Make sure you know the gist of the information rather then just copying and pasting wiki pages.

You should include every location they are present within the US not just to your state.

Also Wikipedia


Is Wikipedia a super rel able resource though?


*reliable

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 1st, 2019, 2:33 pm
by Kyanite
venusaur711 wrote:
venusaur711 wrote:
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:Also Wikipedia


Is Wikipedia a super rel able resource though?


*reliable


It definitely is to a degree, wiki has a bad reputation but it has gotten a lot more reliable in the past couple years. I used it as a last resort for some information but I always starred the information or put it into italics so I would remember that the information could be less reliable. I would often just use the wiki pages for the reference links at the bottom as they were often reputable sites.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 1st, 2019, 2:53 pm
by Unome
Kyanite wrote:
venusaur711 wrote:
venusaur711 wrote:

Is Wikipedia a super rel able resource though?


*reliable


It definitely is to a degree, wiki has a bad reputation but it has gotten a lot more reliable in the past couple years. I used it as a last resort for some information but I always starred the information or put it into italics so I would remember that the information could be less reliable. I would often just use the wiki pages for the reference links at the bottom as they were often reputable sites.

Reliable information and unreliable information are relatively straightforward to distinguish. I would recommend using as many sources as you can, and cross-referencing them.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 4:03 am
by NordoniaMS
Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 5:22 am
by DontWorryAboutIt
NordoniaMS wrote:Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 6:15 am
by NordoniaMS
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:
NordoniaMS wrote:Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.




Thank you. We thought about doing that. It is just a lot of paper and ink the school would be spending money on.

NEW question regarding the book.....Are post it notes permitted in the book?

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 7:08 am
by cbrant554
NordoniaMS wrote:
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:
NordoniaMS wrote:Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.




Thank you. We thought about doing that. It is just a lot of paper and ink the school would be spending money on.

NEW question regarding the book.....Are post it notes permitted in the book?

If your trying to use a book in competition that is no longer allowed, but in the binder I would say no because the rules state that all information needs to be in the rings of the binder.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 9:12 am
by emmalasagna
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:
NordoniaMS wrote:Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.


I suggest doing this too, also because field guides can have a lot of unnecessary info on specimens that aren't on the list. Overall, student made notes in binders are probably the best way to go.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 5th, 2019, 1:08 pm
by NordoniaMS
emmalasagna wrote:
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:
NordoniaMS wrote:Good Morning.
I have a question about using a field guide in the binder. The rules states: Each team may bring one 2019 Official National Herpetology List as well as one two-inch or smaller standard binder containing information in any form and from any source attached using the available
rings.

If the field guide is attached using a magazine holder for a binder is that acceptable? I know that having it in a sleeve was not the last invitational we went to. They made the kids choose between the book and the binder.

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this!
:)
Gina

I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.


I suggest doing this too, also because field guides can have a lot of unnecessary info on specimens that aren't on the list. Overall, student made notes in binders are probably the best way to go.


Thank you everyone!
: )

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 6th, 2019, 8:12 am
by DontWorryAboutIt
NordoniaMS wrote:
emmalasagna wrote:
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:I don't have the answer to the question of whether a magazine holder for a binder is acceptable. However I would suggest if feasible, scan and copy the pages from the field guide and then just hole punch them and put them into your bind. That way you won't have to worry about whether the ES's will allow it or not.


I suggest doing this too, also because field guides can have a lot of unnecessary info on specimens that aren't on the list. Overall, student made notes in binders are probably the best way to go.


I agree, the best binder IMO is one with student made info not a field guide because a lot of the stuff in field guides again are pretty useless. Also by using your own sheets, you will be able to locate the information in your binder faster because you yourself made the pages. Using your own pages will increase your efficiency in finding info and will simultaneously help you learn the information yourself as you create the pages.

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 8th, 2019, 4:30 am
by dragonfruit35
How do you guys differentiate between Gyrinophilus and Pseudotriton? As far as we can tell, Pseudotriton has more prominent black spots and Gyrinophilus appears to (sometimes?) have yellow eyes, but we’re having a bit of trouble differentiating between the two, so if anyone has any tips that would be great :D

Re: Herpetology B/C

Posted: February 8th, 2019, 12:45 pm
by Kyanite
dragonfruit35 wrote:How do you guys differentiate between Gyrinophilus and Pseudotriton? As far as we can tell, Pseudotriton has more prominent black spots and Gyrinophilus appears to (sometimes?) have yellow eyes, but we’re having a bit of trouble differentiating between the two, so if anyone has any tips that would be great :D


For me I thought Gyrinophilus's eyes seem to be farther back from the tip of the snout and the head just looks "boxier" while Pseudotrition had a more rounded face.