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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Unome » April 4th, 2019, 4:33 pm

Remember, you're always asked to identify to the most specific classification on the list
Is this actually in the rules? I know in Fossils identification to higher taxa in general are common.
I mean it's not, but it's not very common to only answer higher classification in Herp unless it's like comparing two organisms.
Agree that it's uncommon, but imo still worth studying.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby BennyTheJett » April 4th, 2019, 5:25 pm

Unome did you do herps?
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Re: Ornithology

Postby randomolympiadkid8 » April 10th, 2019, 10:53 am

I think this category is changing to Ornithology for division b, does anybody have a rule sheet and bird list so I could potentially get a head start for next year.

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Re: Ornithology

Postby cbrant554 » April 10th, 2019, 11:16 am

I think this category is changing to Ornithology for division b, does anybody have a rule sheet and bird list so I could potentially get a head start for next year.
https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Ornithology/Bird_List this is the page from the wiki you could probably also find the rules somewhere online.

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Re: Ornithology

Postby kate! » April 10th, 2019, 11:28 am

I think this category is changing to Ornithology for division b, does anybody have a rule sheet and bird list so I could potentially get a head start for next year.
https://www.soinc.org/learn/trial-events just do ctrl+F and search for ornithology, the most recent rules and list should be there.
Last year I knew stuff about rocks, minerals, experiments, and ecosystems, yay!
Now I know stuff about amphibians, reptiles, water, and more experiments, yay again!
I'm planning to learn stuff about oceanography, fossils, and more water, yay for the third time!

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Re: Ornithology

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » April 10th, 2019, 12:42 pm

I think this category is changing to Ornithology for division b, does anybody have a rule sheet and bird list so I could potentially get a head start for next year.
https://www.soinc.org/learn/trial-events just do ctrl+F and search for ornithology, the most recent rules and list should be there.
If you can find 2010/2011 rules, it's also similar.

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Re: Herpetology

Postby kate! » April 10th, 2019, 12:47 pm

I think this category is changing to Ornithology for division b, does anybody have a rule sheet and bird list so I could potentially get a head start for next year.
https://www.soinc.org/learn/trial-events just do ctrl+F and search for ornithology, the most recent rules and list should be there.
If you can find 2010/2011 rules, it's also similar.
Since it's technically illegal to distribute rules online in years they weren't previously available in, I wouldn't be advising people to do that here.
Last year I knew stuff about rocks, minerals, experiments, and ecosystems, yay!
Now I know stuff about amphibians, reptiles, water, and more experiments, yay again!
I'm planning to learn stuff about oceanography, fossils, and more water, yay for the third time!

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Re: Herpetology

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » April 10th, 2019, 12:57 pm

https://www.soinc.org/learn/trial-events just do ctrl+F and search for ornithology, the most recent rules and list should be there.
If you can find 2010/2011 rules, it's also similar.
Since it's technically illegal to distribute rules online in years they weren't previously available in, I wouldn't be advising people to do that here.
I never said online :P If a team has existed for around 9 years, then they should have them.

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Re: Herpetology

Postby kate! » April 10th, 2019, 1:57 pm

If you can find 2010/2011 rules, it's also similar.
Since it's technically illegal to distribute rules online in years they weren't previously available in, I wouldn't be advising people to do that here.
I never said online :P If a team has existed for around 9 years, then they should have them.
Oh. That's true, I guess. But I still think it would be better to use the trial rules for this year since they're the newest available and they're officially from SOINC.
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Now I know stuff about amphibians, reptiles, water, and more experiments, yay again!
I'm planning to learn stuff about oceanography, fossils, and more water, yay for the third time!

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby dish123 » April 11th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Hi everybody,

Our team is going on to state from regional, so I have decided to improve my notes.
Besides class/order/suborder
there are 80 fact sheets for NC.

I have many questions for the formatting of fact sheets:

1.What should we include in the family fact sheets that dont include genuses on the official list?
2.What should we include in the family fact sheets that do?
3.What should we include in the genuses?
4,Do we have to know the species of each genus thats on the list?
5.Do we even have to make genus fact sheets?
6.Which should have more information, genus or family?

Thanks!

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby emmalasagna » April 11th, 2019, 4:26 pm

Hi everybody,

Our team is going on to state from regional, so I have decided to improve my notes.
Besides class/order/suborder
there are 80 fact sheets for NC.

I have many questions for the formatting of fact sheets:

1.What should we include in the family fact sheets that dont include genuses on the official list?
2.What should we include in the family fact sheets that do?
3.What should we include in the genuses?
4,Do we have to know the species of each genus thats on the list?
5.Do we even have to make genus fact sheets?
6.Which should have more information, genus or family?

Thanks!
Hi! Congrats on getting to states, first of all. Second of all...

1.For these, it can be tricky to find info since families tend to be pretty broad. Just include whatever info you can find. It might not be as detailed as more specific taxons like genuses, but any info that defines the family, like anatomical characteristics or distribution should be included. If this still doesn't seem to be enough, you can look into the type genus of the family, which is the genus that sort of defines the family, I guess. For example, for family Lacertidae, looking into the type genus, Lacerta, could be helpful.

2. For Families that do specify genuses, like Family Phrynosomatidae, I don't usually put down too much into the family notesheets. Just some broad defining characteristics. I make the included genuses much more specific, because those are more important.

3. For genus notesheets, basically anything important should go into the notes. I suggest using a format for all notes, if you don't already. You can split this up into categories, like taxonomy, anatomy, diet, distribution, etc., and try to fill these in based on what you find. Overall, I'd say its really important to include anything specific to that genus, since that is likely what the test will be asking. For example, you don't need to include the anatomy of every salamander genus if they're roughly the same, but any differences should be noted, if that makes sense.

4. Technically, no. The rules don't require you to identify past what is written on the list, which is genus at most specific. However, I do reccomend writing down some of the most important species of each genus in your notes, just in case the test writers accidentally put something like that on the test, which they do sometimes.

5. You should make sheets for anything that's on the list. If its a genus, make a genus sheet, if its a family, make a family sheet. You want to be prepared for anything the writers throw at you, so you don'y want to miss anything on the list!

6.I'd say genuses. It's probably easier to find info on them anyway, because their less broad than families.

I hope this helped! Good luck at states!
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby krasabnk » April 11th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Hi everybody,

Our team is going on to state from regional, so I have decided to improve my notes.
Besides class/order/suborder
there are 80 fact sheets for NC.

I have many questions for the formatting of fact sheets:

1.What should we include in the family fact sheets that dont include genuses on the official list?
2.What should we include in the family fact sheets that do?
3.What should we include in the genuses?
4,Do we have to know the species of each genus thats on the list?
5.Do we even have to make genus fact sheets?
6.Which should have more information, genus or family?

Thanks!
I assume you are from NC, and if so, I hope you do well in states!
1. I would attempt to include information about common genera in your state in regards to family fact sheets, but the tests aren't likely to question specific genera unless it is listed on the national list. I would make sure you cover information on habitat, anatomy/physiology of herps, diets, reproduction processes, interesting facts, etc.

2/3. (2 and 3 appear to be the same question) Like before, include habitat, diets, reproduction, interesting facts, but try to include more details. I suggest using the Animal Diversity Web (ADW) to help you with gathering information on common species in a specific genus listed on the national list. Remember, the state will use a shortened version of the national list, so make sure you have the correct list.

4. I would say you should practice the most common species. I am pretty sure the state test will not quiz you to the specimen level, but just in case, search for species that are most prevalent in your state. For example, let's say you have the genus Anaxyrus. A well-known specimen of this genus would be the American toad, or Anaxyrus americanus. Then you could gather information about that specific specimen if you wanted to.

5. I would.

6. Genus is more detailed than family as it is focused on a specific group in a family. If the genus is listed on the national list, you should include information about both its family and the genus.

Hope this helps and good luck!
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby dish123 » April 11th, 2019, 6:32 pm

Hi everybody,

Our team is going on to state from regional, so I have decided to improve my notes.
Besides class/order/suborder
there are 80 fact sheets for NC.

I have many questions for the formatting of fact sheets:

1.What should we include in the family fact sheets that dont include genuses on the official list?
2.What should we include in the family fact sheets that do?
3.What should we include in the genuses?
4,Do we have to know the species of each genus thats on the list?
5.Do we even have to make genus fact sheets?
6.Which should have more information, genus or family?

Thanks!
I assume you are from NC, and if so, I hope you do well in states!
1. I would attempt to include information about common genera in your state in regards to family fact sheets, but the tests aren't likely to question specific genera unless it is listed on the national list. I would make sure you cover information on habitat, anatomy/physiology of herps, diets, reproduction processes, interesting facts, etc.

2/3. (2 and 3 appear to be the same question) Like before, include habitat, diets, reproduction, interesting facts, but try to include more details. I suggest using the Animal Diversity Web (ADW) to help you with gathering information on common species in a specific genus listed on the national list. Remember, the state will use a shortened version of the national list, so make sure you have the correct list.

4. I would say you should practice the most common species. I am pretty sure the state test will not quiz you to the specimen level, but just in case, search for species that are most prevalent in your state. For example, let's say you have the genus Anaxyrus. A well-known specimen of this genus would be the American toad, or Anaxyrus americanus. Then you could gather information about that specific specimen if you wanted to.

5. I would.

6. Genus is more detailed than family as it is focused on a specific group in a family. If the genus is listed on the national list, you should include information about both its family and the genus.

Hope this helps and good luck!
Thank you so much, this really helped...one thing though, I feel like I should know this already, howerever, it can get confusing, what is "genera"?

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby dish123 » April 11th, 2019, 6:33 pm

Hi everybody,

Our team is going on to state from regional, so I have decided to improve my notes.
Besides class/order/suborder
there are 80 fact sheets for NC.

I have many questions for the formatting of fact sheets:

1.What should we include in the family fact sheets that dont include genuses on the official list?
2.What should we include in the family fact sheets that do?
3.What should we include in the genuses?
4,Do we have to know the species of each genus thats on the list?
5.Do we even have to make genus fact sheets?
6.Which should have more information, genus or family?

Thanks!
Hi! Congrats on getting to states, first of all. Second of all...

1.For these, it can be tricky to find info since families tend to be pretty broad. Just include whatever info you can find. It might not be as detailed as more specific taxons like genuses, but any info that defines the family, like anatomical characteristics or distribution should be included. If this still doesn't seem to be enough, you can look into the type genus of the family, which is the genus that sort of defines the family, I guess. For example, for family Lacertidae, looking into the type genus, Lacerta, could be helpful.

2. For Families that do specify genuses, like Family Phrynosomatidae, I don't usually put down too much into the family notesheets. Just some broad defining characteristics. I make the included genuses much more specific, because those are more important.

3. For genus notesheets, basically anything important should go into the notes. I suggest using a format for all notes, if you don't already. You can split this up into categories, like taxonomy, anatomy, diet, distribution, etc., and try to fill these in based on what you find. Overall, I'd say its really important to include anything specific to that genus, since that is likely what the test will be asking. For example, you don't need to include the anatomy of every salamander genus if they're roughly the same, but any differences should be noted, if that makes sense.

4. Technically, no. The rules don't require you to identify past what is written on the list, which is genus at most specific. However, I do reccomend writing down some of the most important species of each genus in your notes, just in case the test writers accidentally put something like that on the test, which they do sometimes.

5. You should make sheets for anything that's on the list. If its a genus, make a genus sheet, if its a family, make a family sheet. You want to be prepared for anything the writers throw at you, so you don'y want to miss anything on the list!

6.I'd say genuses. It's probably easier to find info on them anyway, because their less broad than families.

I hope this helped! Good luck at states!
Thank you, this helps a lot, I got some reassurance, because I thought I wasn't looking hard enough for families, but now I know that genuses need to be more detailed, not family.

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby krasabnk » April 11th, 2019, 6:36 pm

Thank you so much, this really helped...one thing though, I feel like I should know this already, howerever, it can get confusing, what is "genera"?
Haha, no problem! Genera is the plural form of a genus, hope that helps! :) Are you Div B or Div C?
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