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Re: Solar System B

Postby Vsauce » November 27th, 2018, 6:45 am

First year in Middle school, what will it look like from experience, and how long is it?

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Re: Solar System B

Postby Killboe » November 27th, 2018, 11:08 am

Vsauce wrote:First year in Middle school, what will it look like from experience, and how long is it?


Depends what kind of experience you have, I'm assuming you're coming from Div A, I've never been in Div A so I don't know what kind of tests they make. But I'm assuming they're pretty easy.

Solar system in Div B is a pretty hard event. But it talks about a lot of things, sometimes small details. Really small details, that's what you make a cheat sheet for. If you want to see some tests, go to the test exchange or click this link. Test You need to study a lot. Good luck on your first year!
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Re: Solar System B

Postby arv101 » December 5th, 2018, 3:26 pm

The rules don't say we can use calculators, however some tests I have taken would require the use of a calculator. Would an ES allow it?
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Re: Solar System B

Postby Unome » December 5th, 2018, 5:53 pm

arv101 wrote:The rules don't say we can use calculators, however some tests I have taken would require the use of a calculator. Would an ES allow it?

Event supervisors should not be writing tests that require calculators. That said, you could bring a calculator in case the event supervisor allows you to use it.
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Re: Solar System B

Postby TheCowboyandhisArk » December 6th, 2018, 5:53 am

Vsauce wrote:First year in Middle school, what will it look like from experience, and how long is it?


I nosedived in my sixth-grade year into this event ( wow that was like 4 years ago...).

My team was made of 5 seventh and 10 sixth grade students.

The tests are hard, you most definitely want a cheat sheet, and study your heart out. Both times at state I've taken the test (sixth grade and ninth grade), e my teammate and I teammate were out before the timer was done with, id says Somewhere between 40 and 45 minutes total testing, double and triple checking. all the questions. We brought a red light but ended up not needing it.
It's a lot of IDentification, so knowledge of the characteristics of the objects in the study. (Pictures on cheatsheets help).
We had a decent amount of short answer questions. I remember the one about pancake domes on Venus, which I knew what they were, however, I didn't know how they formed, however, have a decent understanding of how to SWAG it.

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Re: Solar System B

Postby AwersomeUser » December 24th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Hello!
Does the solar system wiki https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Solar_System contains all the study information I need for the event? Also, is this https://scioly.org/wiki/images/6/6e/Reg8_2018_solar_b_test.pdf like the style and difficulty for the real event?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Solar System B

Postby syo_astro » December 24th, 2018, 6:12 pm

AwersomeUser wrote:Hello!
Does the solar system wiki https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Solar_System contains all the study information I need for the event? Also, is this https://scioly.org/wiki/images/6/6e/Reg8_2018_solar_b_test.pdf like the style and difficulty for the real event?

Thanks in advance.

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Hey! Welcome to the forums, thank you for posting, hopefully I show this place welcomes those question things:D.

For your questions:
-Short answer is no. Long answer is the wiki never contains *all* the information you need and isn't even guaranteed to be correct. It's meant to be a good starting place and gives ideas about how to organize your notes. This forum is student/volunteer-run and not an official resource hosted by soinc.org or anything (soinc.org is the official Science Olympiad website).
-As for that test, every test writer is a little different and can choose to adjust test format and difficulty. That said, AlphaTauri (admin/user/cool person on this website) does know how to write solid tests (though, often tougher than average regionals tests). If you're looking for something more "standard" or "official", you can look on the soinc.org page for Solar System or any event in general. Keep in mind even those can be different from actual competition, but being on the official national website probably helps advertise it to potential writers. The thing with local test writers is that they're all volunteers and situations range from asking someone last minute to actual experts in the field.

I can explain these points more if you don't know what any of that means, and I hope that helps.
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Re: Solar System B

Postby AwersomeUser » December 24th, 2018, 6:25 pm

Oh ok thanks. That was quick. :)

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Re: Solar System B

Postby AwersomeUser » December 24th, 2018, 7:04 pm

Also, I have not started studying for the event yet. I have almost zero knowledge in the solar system. If I just start studying from what the event is on, will I miss some basics that I should know or not make sense?

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Re: Solar System B

Postby isotelus » December 24th, 2018, 8:59 pm

syo_astro wrote:
AwersomeUser wrote:Hello!
Does the solar system wiki https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Solar_System contains all the study information I need for the event? Also, is this https://scioly.org/wiki/images/6/6e/Reg8_2018_solar_b_test.pdf like the style and difficulty for the real event?

Thanks in advance.

P.S This is my first post ever in this forum


Hey! Welcome to the forums, thank you for posting, hopefully I show this place welcomes those question things:D.

For your questions:
-Short answer is no. Long answer is the wiki never contains *all* the information you need and isn't even guaranteed to be correct. It's meant to be a good starting place and gives ideas about how to organize your notes. This forum is student/volunteer-run and not an official resource hosted by soinc.org or anything (soinc.org is the official Science Olympiad website).
-As for that test, every test writer is a little different and can choose to adjust test format and difficulty. That said, AlphaTauri (admin/user/cool person on this website) does know how to write solid tests (though, often tougher than average regionals tests). If you're looking for something more "standard" or "official", you can look on the soinc.org page for Solar System or any event in general. Keep in mind even those can be different from actual competition, but being on the official national website probably helps advertise it to potential writers. The thing with local test writers is that they're all volunteers and situations range from asking someone last minute to actual experts in the field.

I can explain these points more if you don't know what any of that means, and I hope that helps.

Adding on to syo_astro, that test is over last year's topics. This year is very different, and that test won't really help you out (except possibly for the moon).

AwersomeUser wrote:Also, I have not started studying for the event yet. I have almost zero knowledge in the solar system. If I just start studying from what the event is on, will I miss some basics that I should know or not make sense?

You could probably just read a few webpages about the solar system to know some basic astronomy concepts that apply within our solar system (and out of it). For example, slingshotting, Kepler's Laws, etc. The rules manual and what's on it should be your priority for this event, though. Don't focus too much of your time on general solar system stuff.
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Re: Solar System B

Postby syo_astro » December 24th, 2018, 9:53 pm

isotelus wrote:
AwersomeUser wrote:Also, I have not started studying for the event yet. I have almost zero knowledge in the solar system. If I just start studying from what the event is on, will I miss some basics that I should know or not make sense?

You could probably just read a few webpages about the solar system to know some basic astronomy concepts that apply within our solar system (and out of it). For example, slingshotting, Kepler's Laws, etc. The rules manual and what's on it should be your priority for this event, though. Don't focus too much of your time on general solar system stuff.


First, most if not all competitors start with no background knowledge, so don't sweat that. Science Olympiad is meant for exploring science you don't know / want to learn about!

Agreed, if you're completely new to an event, first read the rules manual, FAQs, and rules clarifications (not necessarily the wiki or anything) and check the event page for your event on soinc.org. Either your coach should have this, or it should be somewhere on soinc.org. The rules describe what to focus on for each event, and events are ran based on these rules. The wiki actually has a section about this: https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (go to Preparing for Competition and all the links there about Notes, Test Taking, etc...I think Preparing for Competition has a link from soinc.org about preparation at the start of it)

A summary about how to prep after reading all of that: most people start by googling, reading books, and asking people about each topic in the rules. While researching, they compile notes (like I said, the wiki has tips and examples). If you hit a topic you really don't get, you note it down for later to review and dig deeper into. They then condense the notes/pictures into whatever limited resources/notes you have for a given event. One also should work with their partner as working with others is strongly encouraged. Usually you can split the work / topics with your partner, teach each other, put notes together, etc, especially if you're pressed for time. After initial work, students take a practice test or teams attend invitationals to practice and check what they need to study more about.
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Re: Solar System B

Postby AwersomeUser » December 25th, 2018, 7:49 am

Ok thanks.
The wiki says that “This event often contains many questions/tasks not listed on the event sheet, so you should study anything that could be interpreted as related to our solar system.”.
So does it mean by this? Can you give an example?

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Re: Solar System B

Postby isotelus » December 25th, 2018, 10:59 am

AwersomeUser wrote:Ok thanks.
The wiki says that “This event often contains many questions/tasks not listed on the event sheet, so you should study anything that could be interpreted as related to our solar system.”.
So does it mean by this? Can you give an example?

This basically is saying that you should be prepared and expect that some topics that aren't exactly on the rules might be on tests. The solar system rules are pretty vague, so a lot of things can be asked. Event sheet does mean rules, right?
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Re: Solar System B

Postby syo_astro » December 25th, 2018, 11:40 am

isotelus wrote:
AwersomeUser wrote:Ok thanks.
The wiki says that “This event often contains many questions/tasks not listed on the event sheet, so you should study anything that could be interpreted as related to our solar system.”.
So does it mean by this? Can you give an example?

This basically is saying that you should be prepared and expect that some topics that aren't exactly on the rules might be on tests. The solar system rules are pretty vague, so a lot of things can be asked. Event sheet does mean rules, right?


Those tips could be from a while ago (haven't checked / done the event, I can't say for sure...others?). I think there's a tab at the top right you can check to view history / check when edits were made. In the past, the Solar System rules were very general and had to do with the entire Solar System. That said, I did say test writers can come upon various circumstances, be rushed, etc...you probably shouldn't worry about studying literally everything when you're new to something, though.
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Re: Solar System B

Postby AwersomeUser » December 27th, 2018, 6:17 pm

Ok thanks.

I have any question. How deep do I have to study?
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