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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby eagerlearner102 » February 5th, 2019, 11:16 am

Thank you for your advice. I am not very experienced in Fermi Questions because this is my first year.
I will probably redo my past mistakes to see if my reasoning has changed.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby sciolywin » February 10th, 2019, 4:31 pm

I'm probably doing fermi questions, and I have never done this event before for some regionals tounrament soon? Any tips on how to not fail? Any tips on how to place lol? Thank you. :D

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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby John Richardsim » February 11th, 2019, 1:57 pm

sciolywin wrote:I'm probably doing fermi questions, and I have never done this event before for some regionals tounrament soon? Any tips on how to not fail? Any tips on how to place lol? Thank you. :D

Do a lot of practice questions and tests:

New test exchange: https://scioly.org/tests/
Old test exchange: https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/2019_ ... _Questions
This season's question marathon (can be pretty useful to see how others are solving problems): viewtopic.php?f=297&t=12395

Make a list of useful formulas and memorize them. Also keep a list of common values that would be useful for solving problems (e.g. mass of earth, charge of an electron, avogadro's number, etc.) and commit those to memory as well.

Here are some stuff I've made:
Logs and constants quizlet set
Random values quizlet set (a few things in here are very Michigan-specific)
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby eagerlearner102 » February 23rd, 2019, 2:59 pm

The main issue with me is that I get a lot of +3 instead of +5. I either underestimate or overestimate. What is your advice on getting +5? I was calculating what would happen if I didn't get +3 and that would raise my score by 10%.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Name » February 23rd, 2019, 3:19 pm

eagerlearner102 wrote:The main issue with me is that I get a lot of +3 instead of +5. I either underestimate or overestimate. What is your advice on getting +5? I was calculating what would happen if I didn't get +3 and that would raise my score by 10%.

Everyone gets alotta +3s, it's unavoidable sometimes. That being said, memorize numbers to at least one decimal place (for example don't memorize 1 au = E11 meters, memorize it as 1 au = 1.5E11 meters). Sometimes more could be useful, but generally not. Also don't round too much when doing calculations. Try to keep at least one decimal place when multiplying (It could also be easier to write out the entire equation of things your multiplying and dividing and seeing if anything cancels out).

Minimize your estimating by memorizing as much infomation as you can- even a small difference in your estimation can throw off your answer (and sometimes by more then by a factor of 10 when stuff is cubed or whatever). Also more infomation provides a better basis to estimate from. Figure out why you got +3 instead of +5. If you find a particular value that you didn't estimate correctly, memorize it so next time you see the value again it won't throw you off. Just keep on taking more practice tests, you'll get better at getting those +5s.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby eagerlearner102 » February 24th, 2019, 12:38 pm

Also, do they provide scratch paper or do you only do calculations on the paper that you are given?
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Name » February 24th, 2019, 1:40 pm

eagerlearner102 wrote:Also, do they provide scratch paper or do you only do calculations on the paper that you are given?

Usually they provide scratch, be prepared to work without it just in case though.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Blank25 » February 24th, 2019, 8:48 pm

Anyone know how many questions or around how many questions would be on a test for the State competition?
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby PM2017 » February 24th, 2019, 9:10 pm

Blank25 wrote:Anyone know how many questions or around how many questions would be on a test for the State competition?

SoCal last year had 60, but it was also an hour-long test, rather than 50 minutes.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Blank25 » February 24th, 2019, 9:40 pm

PM2017 wrote:
Blank25 wrote:Anyone know how many questions or around how many questions would be on a test for the State competition?

SoCal last year had 60, but it was also an hour-long test, rather than 50 minutes.

Thanks!
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Name » February 25th, 2019, 3:20 pm

jaggie34 wrote:Does anyone know what the top scores looked like for fermi at MIT?

We finally got tests back! 128 was good for third (I guess we won the TB)
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby eagerlearner102 » March 1st, 2019, 8:18 pm

What's your guys' advice on working with your partner? We did around 3 practice rounds and got 59% on the 2018 MIT test which is relatively good.
For me, I work well with my partner but I want to hear from other people's perspective especially about efficiency and checking answers.
2019 events: Protein Modeling, Sounds of Music, Fermi Questions
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Blank25 » March 5th, 2019, 3:56 pm

eagerlearner102 wrote:What's your guys' advice on working with your partner? We did around 3 practice rounds and got 59% on the 2018 MIT test which is relatively good.
For me, I work well with my partner but I want to hear from other people's perspective especially about efficiency and checking answers.


When my partner and I take practice tests, we usually divide the questions in half. Generally, my partner takes questions having to do energy and space and large distances while I do the questions dealing with measures of stuff related to humans and stuff on Earth. Likewise, he memorizes the constants and formulas for that kind of stuff while I memorize the constants and formulas related to the other stuff.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby Name » March 5th, 2019, 4:09 pm

eagerlearner102 wrote:What's your guys' advice on working with your partner? We did around 3 practice rounds and got 59% on the 2018 MIT test which is relatively good.
For me, I work well with my partner but I want to hear from other people's perspective especially about efficiency and checking answers.


For shorter tests (or usually where everything's on one sheet) we do the test together. Otherwise we split the test, I usually take more because im faster. By the end I've done all my partner's questions too to check (so basically be fast enough to solo). Then just keep redoing questions to check, the time TB doesn't really matter. Also ask yout partner if you don't know something, they hopefully will.
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Re: Fermi Questions C

Postby eagerlearner102 » March 6th, 2019, 3:57 pm

Thanks for your advice.
2019 events: Protein Modeling, Sounds of Music, Fermi Questions
Other scientific pursuits: USNCO, PDB Video Challenge, DNA Day (???)
Competition: 2019 Northern California Bay Area Regional
Fermi Questions: 2nd
Sounds of Music: 4th
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