Fossils B/C

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby dxu46 » February 11th, 2019, 12:08 pm

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meilingkuo wrote:Is fossils list allowed outside of binder? Should it printed single-sided or double-sided if ok to be outside of binder?

Per the rules manual, "no material may be removed from the binder" (Rule 2.b.)

Actually, if the event is not run at stations, rule 2.b. does not prohibit removal of materials. Rule 2.b. only prohibits removal of materials if the event is run as stations, and actually only specifies stations with specimens or displays.

Yes, but I can't think of a reason why the list would need to be taken out of the binder if it wasn't run in stations (for quick ID, it's easy to go down the list and picture each specimen in your head, while for a long test there are bound to be easy questions that could be answered quickly to make some time for hard questions that you don't have to rush to ID.)
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby hmmm » February 11th, 2019, 1:38 pm

dxu46 wrote:
meilingkuo wrote:Is fossils list allowed outside of binder? Should it printed single-sided or double-sided if ok to be outside of binder?

Per the rules manual, "no material may be removed from the binder" (Rule 2.b.)

also from the rule manual:"Each team may bring one magnifying glass, the Science Olympiad Official Fossil List and one
standard 3-inch or smaller, 3-ring binder containing information in any form and from any source
attached using the available rings"
I think this implies that the Fossil List can be separate from the binder, or else they wouldn't explicitly mention it.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby isotelus » February 12th, 2019, 3:40 pm

hmmm wrote:
dxu46 wrote:
meilingkuo wrote:Is fossils list allowed outside of binder? Should it printed single-sided or double-sided if ok to be outside of binder?

Per the rules manual, "no material may be removed from the binder" (Rule 2.b.)

also from the rule manual:"Each team may bring one magnifying glass, the Science Olympiad Official Fossil List and one
standard 3-inch or smaller, 3-ring binder containing information in any form and from any source
attached using the available rings"
I think this implies that the Fossil List can be separate from the binder, or else they wouldn't explicitly mention it.

Yeah you can have a list out of the binder, but nothing else. This is helpful because while on a page, you wouldn't have to flip all the way back to the list if you couldn't take it out. It might not always be helpful, but it certainly can be.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 12th, 2019, 3:50 pm

Hey Guys! Can anyone recommend some good websites for Fossils? Right now, I am using Wikipedia and Encyclopedia, and they seem pretty good, but they don't have some of the genuses (is that the right plural?).
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby hmmm » February 12th, 2019, 5:02 pm

GurtYo wrote:Hey Guys! Can anyone recommend some good websites for Fossils? Right now, I am using Wikipedia and Encyclopedia, and they seem pretty good, but they don't have some of the genuses (is that the right plural?).

There's a bunch of good resources at the bottom of the wiki page.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » February 12th, 2019, 5:55 pm

hmmm wrote:
GurtYo wrote:Hey Guys! Can anyone recommend some good websites for Fossils? Right now, I am using Wikipedia and Encyclopedia, and they seem pretty good, but they don't have some of the genuses (is that the right plural?).

There's a bunch of good resources at the bottom of the wiki page.

(The right plural is genera.)

Most search engines will get you good results for the fossils on the list as well, and being able to find reliable sources is a good life skill anyway :)

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby meilingkuo » February 12th, 2019, 11:21 pm

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meilingkuo wrote:We have being using online resources as well as field books recommended by SO (Smithsonian and National Audubon Society). I realized that temporal range for certain fossils in Wikipedia and those two books are different and "way off" I always assume that those two books should be more reliable and that is the information that we decided to put in the binder. My students just did a practice run in which they need to sort fossils by temporal range and they got it wrong because we got information from those two books. Based on the answer key, the information from the Wikipedia pages is correct.
Anyone has any idea what source is more reliable? Is there any good database on temporal range of fossils? We need to update our binder soon!

Ideally, they would want to trace the information to its origin so they know the controversy and can figure out what the event supervisor is going for with a certain question.

Thanks. I just found an online paleobiology database, fossilworks, which has proper references. I can use it to confirm our record. However, sometimes, the website can be a bit slow.

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby meilingkuo » February 12th, 2019, 11:26 pm

isotelus wrote:
hmmm wrote:
dxu46 wrote:Per the rules manual, "no material may be removed from the binder" (Rule 2.b.)

also from the rule manual:"Each team may bring one magnifying glass, the Science Olympiad Official Fossil List and one
standard 3-inch or smaller, 3-ring binder containing information in any form and from any source
attached using the available rings"
I think this implies that the Fossil List can be separate from the binder, or else they wouldn't explicitly mention it.

Yeah you can have a list out of the binder, but nothing else. This is helpful because while on a page, you wouldn't have to flip all the way back to the list if you couldn't take it out. It might not always be helpful, but it certainly can be.

I have one of my students writing down answers and one flipping the binder. It might be helpful for the one who is writing down answers for checking spelling quickly.

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby meilingkuo » February 12th, 2019, 11:31 pm

hmmm wrote:
dxu46 wrote:
meilingkuo wrote:Is fossils list allowed outside of binder? Should it printed single-sided or double-sided if ok to be outside of binder?

Per the rules manual, "no material may be removed from the binder" (Rule 2.b.)

also from the rule manual:"Each team may bring one magnifying glass, the Science Olympiad Official Fossil List and one
standard 3-inch or smaller, 3-ring binder containing information in any form and from any source
attached using the available rings"
I think this implies that the Fossil List can be separate from the binder, or else they wouldn't explicitly mention it.

Thanks! I interpreted it the same way, but just need to be make sure.

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Eureka314 » February 14th, 2019, 1:05 pm

What is considered the "major fossil groups" (regarding the "adaptations and morphological features of major fossil groups")? Are they like Cnidaria, Brachiopoda, Bryozoa, etc?
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » February 14th, 2019, 1:14 pm

Eureka314 wrote:What is considered the "major fossil groups" (regarding the "adaptations and morphological features of major fossil groups")? Are they like Cnidaria, Brachiopoda, Bryozoa, etc?

Yes

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby hmmm » February 14th, 2019, 5:15 pm

Eureka314 wrote:What is considered the "major fossil groups" (regarding the "adaptations and morphological features of major fossil groups")? Are they like Cnidaria, Brachiopoda, Bryozoa, etc?

The phylums/classes on the list, and anything else you think is relevant.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Asmolpidgeon » February 15th, 2019, 11:54 am

What are some of the most important things to include about each fossil? Me and my partner have an entire list of info, but we want to know if there is anything we should have and are missing.

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby AwersomeUser » February 15th, 2019, 2:37 pm

Asmolpidgeon wrote:What are some of the most important things to include about each fossil? Me and my partner have an entire list of info, but we want to know if there is anything we should have and are missing.


The most important thing to include about each fossil in my own opinion is probably the photos. At my competition every goes so fast that I didn’t have time to read the stuff I put in. (Because my partner and I spent way too much time just to find the pages to the right fossils. But that’s probaly because I only really started preparing like a week before my competition). Also put in illustrations of what an organism might’ve looked like because I was asked to identify them too. What have you put in so far?

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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby Kyanite » February 15th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Asmolpidgeon wrote:What are some of the most important things to include about each fossil? Me and my partner have an entire list of info, but we want to know if there is anything we should have and are missing.


Time Period of occupancy, evolutionary info (any new features etc), environment it lived in, diet, the size, full scientific name, importance in modern day (discovery date, etc), features that help identify it, anatomical features of importance (ie bird hipped etc), How to tell it apart from different fossils, typical forms of preservation for the specimen.


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