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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby MadCow2357 » February 26th, 2019, 8:19 am

So I plan to start sighting with a rifle scope, but I know literally nothing about them.
1. I'm aware that they need to be non-electrical, though I'm not sure how to tell if scopes online are electrical or not. If I bought one that implements electricity, could I still use it without?
2. Would an electrical rifle scope without batteries meet construction parameters (it would be an electrical aiming device but I guess it wouldn't be without batteries)?
3. Finally, how much could I get out of a <$25 scope? I'm tight on money right now so I can't spend much.
4. Any super cheap rifle scopes you recommend?
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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby LittleMissNyan » February 26th, 2019, 12:42 pm

MadCow2357 wrote:So I plan to start sighting with a rifle scope, but I know literally nothing about them.
1. I'm aware that they need to be non-electrical, though I'm not sure how to tell if scopes online are electrical or not. If I bought one that implements electricity, could I still use it without?
2. Would an electrical rifle scope without batteries meet construction parameters (it would be an electrical aiming device but I guess it wouldn't be without batteries)?
3. Finally, how much could I get out of a <$25 scope? I'm tight on money right now so I can't spend much.
4. Any super cheap rifle scopes you recommend?

OOH YES I KNOW A FEW THINGS
1. When you search up rifle scopes what you usually get is a non-electrical scope (with the tubular shape). Electrical scopes don't really look like that and they are kinda chunky ish and heavier.
2. I guess so? I mean it wouldn't really work as a scope though
3. I don't think you need a really expensive scope since you won't be shooting with it? So I think it would work fine
4. Like this one?
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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby jgrischow1 » March 9th, 2019, 4:48 pm

Interested in people's thoughts on attempting to "tattle" on other teams...

I was supervising BB at a recent tournament. A team was attempting a run and their vehicle did not move upon switch actuation. They setup for another run but were given no addition time.

After they were done, another team came up to me and asked if I failed run'd that team. I said no, referring to 5.c.viii: "If the vehicle does not move upon actuation, it will not count as a run and the team may request to set up for another run but will not be given additional time." The tattling team persisted until I told them to get lost.

The tattling team was obviously wrong but I find equally troubling the spirit of trying to ruin another team's performance.

Thoughts?

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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby MadCow2357 » March 9th, 2019, 6:22 pm

jgrischow1 wrote:Interested in people's thoughts on attempting to "tattle" on other teams...

I was supervising BB at a recent tournament. A team was attempting a run and their vehicle did not move upon switch actuation. They setup for another run but were given no addition time.

After they were done, another team came up to me and asked if I failed run'd that team. I said no, referring to 5.c.viii: "If the vehicle does not move upon actuation, it will not count as a run and the team may request to set up for another run but will not be given additional time." The tattling team persisted until I told them to get lost.

The tattling team was obviously wrong but I find equally troubling the spirit of trying to ruin another team's performance.

Thoughts?

This has happened to me before as well - the vehicle not staring part. In fact, that happened at both of my most recent competitions. It is perfectly normal, and fail running that team would simply be unreasonable. I too find that goal of bringing down another team's performance extremely unsettling - after all, Science Olympiad is about doing better than other people, not about making other teams do worse than you.
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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby sciolyperson1 » March 9th, 2019, 6:33 pm

jgrischow1 wrote:Interested in people's thoughts on attempting to "tattle" on other teams...

I was supervising BB at a recent tournament. A team was attempting a run and their vehicle did not move upon switch actuation. They setup for another run but were given no addition time.

After they were done, another team came up to me and asked if I failed run'd that team. I said no, referring to 5.c.viii: "If the vehicle does not move upon actuation, it will not count as a run and the team may request to set up for another run but will not be given additional time." The tattling team persisted until I told them to get lost.

The tattling team was obviously wrong but I find equally troubling the spirit of trying to ruin another team's performance.

Thoughts?


If they were as rude/unethical as you'd describe, I'd either DQ them or do something to penalize their team.


To DQ them, I'd cite two things:

1) Student Pledge: https://www.soinc.org/code-ethics-general-rules

Student Pledge wrote:I pledge to put forth my best effort in the Science Olympiad tournament and to uphold the principles of honest competition. In my events, I will compete with integrity, respect, and sportsmanship towards my fellow competitors. I will display courtesy towards Event Supervisors and Tournament Personnel. My actions will exemplify the proud spirit of my school, team, and state.


2) Scoring Guidelines: https://www.soinc.org/scoring-guidelines
Scoring Guidelines wrote:Teams should be Disqualified or “DQ” only for misbehavior (to include excessive use of improper or vulgar language) or cheating. Put DQ as raw score and award N+2 points on the score sheet. Also, note on the score sheet the reason why teams were disqualified. Event Supervisors may remove from competition any student(s) whose personal or ethical behavior does not adhere to the Science Olympiad Code of Ethics.


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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby LittleMissNyan » March 13th, 2019, 3:00 pm

So our Science Olympiad team only meets once a week for like 1 hour, and that's not really optimal for testing the Battery Buggy. Where else could I test the Battery Buggy outside of school?
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Postby SPP SciO » March 13th, 2019, 3:46 pm

LittleMissNyan wrote:So our Science Olympiad team only meets once a week for like 1 hour, and that's not really optimal for testing the Battery Buggy. Where else could I test the Battery Buggy outside of school?


You may be able to find a grocery store (or any business with lots of hard smooth floor space) that would let some students practice in a low-traffic place and time. It could be worth asking a manager. Also, a lot of schools/churches have evening sports programs in a gym, so the building is open but halls are free.
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Postby waffletree » March 13th, 2019, 4:04 pm

LittleMissNyan wrote:So our Science Olympiad team only meets once a week for like 1 hour, and that's not really optimal for testing the Battery Buggy. Where else could I test the Battery Buggy outside of school?

You could also try to find time at school, besides the 1 hour your team meets. Like before school, and you could probably stay after school too, if your school offers late busses to students and test in hallways or the school gym.
If you live near a YMCA, they probably have some open yoga studios or something at night. (I didn't need a membership to get in when I told them I needed to test something to prepare for a science olympiad competition in the yoga studio)
I've been testing in a room that's kinda like a dance studio in the back of a gym, and no one uses it after like 8:00. (I already had a membership to the gym)
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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby Kai0721 » March 13th, 2019, 6:01 pm

So to measure the angle of my buggy I use this sheet of paper with the angles on it and place it behind the start point. The rules say sighting and alignment devices placed on the track are permitted but must be removed before the run. Does placing the measurement device behind the start point still count as the track? Or Is it fine to start my buggy on the paper if the dowel is still on the start point.
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Postby jgrischow1 » March 13th, 2019, 6:35 pm

Kai0721 wrote:So to measure the angle of my buggy I use this sheet of paper with the angles on it and place it behind the start point. The rules say sighting and alignment devices placed on the track are permitted but must be removed before the run. Does placing the measurement device behind the start point still count as the track? Or Is it fine to start my buggy on the paper if the dowel is still on the start point.


Unofficial...yadda yadda yadda...I asked a similar question to someone who would know and he said the track extends beyond the target point and before the start point. I would say illegal. But I would submit an FAQ if I were you.

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Postby builder83 » March 16th, 2019, 8:43 am

jgrischow1 wrote:
Kai0721 wrote:So to measure the angle of my buggy I use this sheet of paper with the angles on it and place it behind the start point. The rules say sighting and alignment devices placed on the track are permitted but must be removed before the run. Does placing the measurement device behind the start point still count as the track? Or Is it fine to start my buggy on the paper if the dowel is still on the start point.


Unofficial...yadda yadda yadda...I asked a similar question to someone who would know and he said the track extends beyond the target point and before the start point. I would say illegal. But I would submit an FAQ if I were you.


I would say legal to use a protractor device behind the start line. Considering many use scopes or other sighting devices used for alignment are behind the start line. I've seen people do the protractor thing also and have no issue.

But to leave it under your car I would say illegal. Gota pick them up. Only the wheels may contact the floor during your run.

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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby LittleMissNyan » March 29th, 2019, 11:42 am

So uh during competition after the proctors have measured the distances, are you allowed to bring a ruler and measure some things before you pick up the buggy?
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Postby sciolyperson1 » March 29th, 2019, 1:56 pm

LittleMissNyan wrote:So uh during competition after the proctors have measured the distances, are you allowed to bring a ruler and measure some things before you pick up the buggy?


You are allowed, but it counts toward the time
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Postby knightmoves » March 29th, 2019, 1:58 pm

Kai0721 wrote:So to measure the angle of my buggy I use this sheet of paper with the angles on it and place it behind the start point. The rules say sighting and alignment devices placed on the track are permitted but must be removed before the run. Does placing the measurement device behind the start point still count as the track? Or Is it fine to start my buggy on the paper if the dowel is still on the start point.


I've seen teams penalized for leaving alignment fixtures behind the start point. I think you have to remove it.

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Re: Battery Buggy B

Postby jgrischow1 » April 9th, 2019, 6:20 pm

So my kids wanted to go with the narrower BaneBots wheels (t-40s?) to try to get a better can score. Problem is, they don't fit nearly as well on their hubs as the bigger ones did. Obviously there is half as much material, but the fit is so poor the wheels wobble on the hubs. We have tried putting plumber's tape around the hubs to make the fit better. Any other ideas?

Also, the set screws are a pain. We never had a problem with the bigger wheels, but with these, tighten too much, and the set screw strips or the hex key rounds off. Tighten not enough, and the hubs come off the axle. Tough to find the sweet spot. Any ideas?

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