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Re: End Task

Postby ScottMaurer19 » March 14th, 2019, 12:25 pm

LIPX3 wrote:
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Dreamz wrote: Our machine has a similar design and we've brought it to many competitions. As long as your square below the platform is smaller than the platform in both length and width, I don't think it should be a problem. Certainly helps get the battery out of the box for sure!


ah yeah that's the problem, the platform below is slightly bigger (like 0.3 cm bigger). Do you think that becomes an issue?

I believe this would. However, it is not very much work at all to make them the same size. You could do it with a a table saw in under a minute.

I don't see why this is an issue. From my perspective the platform itself is the surface that the battery touches. Am I missing something?
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Re: End Task

Postby Dreamz » March 14th, 2019, 2:29 pm

ScottMaurer19 wrote:
LIPX3 wrote:
mpnobivucyxtz wrote:
ah yeah that's the problem, the platform below is slightly bigger (like 0.3 cm bigger). Do you think that becomes an issue?

I believe this would. However, it is not very much work at all to make them the same size. You could do it with a a table saw in under a minute.

I don't see why this is an issue. From my perspective the platform itself is the surface that the battery touches. Am I missing something?

Yes it technically is legal. Since the box below the platform is under 10cm wide in this case, it shouldn't be a problem at all. If it were larger than 10cm though.... My gut tells me that arguing it with an ES wouldn't be the best idea.

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Re: End Task

Postby LIPX3 » March 14th, 2019, 3:01 pm

Dreamz wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:
LIPX3 wrote:I believe this would. However, it is not very much work at all to make them the same size. You could do it with a a table saw in under a minute.

I don't see why this is an issue. From my perspective the platform itself is the surface that the battery touches. Am I missing something?

Yes it technically is legal. Since the box below the platform is under 10cm wide in this case, it shouldn't be a problem at all. If it were larger than 10cm though.... My gut tells me that arguing it with an ES wouldn't be the best idea.

I agree in that it shouldn't be an issue, however its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with. If there's ever a point in Mission where an event supervisor could find an issue and you can easily fix it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

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Re: End Task

Postby PM2017 » March 14th, 2019, 3:22 pm

LIPX3 wrote:
Dreamz wrote:
ScottMaurer19 wrote:I don't see why this is an issue. From my perspective the platform itself is the surface that the battery touches. Am I missing something?

Yes it technically is legal. Since the box below the platform is under 10cm wide in this case, it shouldn't be a problem at all. If it were larger than 10cm though.... My gut tells me that arguing it with an ES wouldn't be the best idea.

I agree in that it shouldn't be an issue, however its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with. If there's ever a point in Mission where an event supervisor could find an issue and you can easily fix it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

I don't see where they would have a problem. Can you clarify what you mean by "its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with."
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Re: End Task

Postby CookiePie1 » March 14th, 2019, 3:26 pm

PM2017 wrote:
LIPX3 wrote:
Dreamz wrote:Yes it technically is legal. Since the box below the platform is under 10cm wide in this case, it shouldn't be a problem at all. If it were larger than 10cm though.... My gut tells me that arguing it with an ES wouldn't be the best idea.

I agree in that it shouldn't be an issue, however its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with. If there's ever a point in Mission where an event supervisor could find an issue and you can easily fix it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

I don't see where they would have a problem. Can you clarify what you mean by "its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with."


I think ES's tend to get a bad rap, especially on these forums. Don't worry, for the most part they are very reasonable, and if you do need to argue with an ES, they usually take it very well and are fair about it. For something like the size of the platform, as long as the part that touches the battery is square and between 5 and 10 cm, you're fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Re: End Task

Postby PM2017 » March 14th, 2019, 3:49 pm

CookiePie1 wrote:
PM2017 wrote:
LIPX3 wrote:I agree in that it shouldn't be an issue, however its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with. If there's ever a point in Mission where an event supervisor could find an issue and you can easily fix it, I don't see why you wouldn't.

I don't see where they would have a problem. Can you clarify what you mean by "its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with."


I think ES's tend to get a bad rap, especially on these forums. Don't worry, for the most part they are very reasonable, and if you do need to argue with an ES, they usually take it very well and are fair about it. For something like the size of the platform, as long as the part that touches the battery is square and between 5 and 10 cm, you're fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I think it's always best to assume that your ES will be horrible, even when most aren't. But that's only for ambiguous cases where there can be weird interpretations, not something like this.
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Re: End Task

Postby erico.vert » March 14th, 2019, 7:27 pm

PM2017 wrote:
CookiePie1 wrote:
PM2017 wrote:I don't see where they would have a problem. Can you clarify what you mean by "its a point where an event supervisor could find issue with."


I think ES's tend to get a bad rap, especially on these forums. Don't worry, for the most part they are very reasonable, and if you do need to argue with an ES, they usually take it very well and are fair about it. For something like the size of the platform, as long as the part that touches the battery is square and between 5 and 10 cm, you're fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I think it's always best to assume that your ES will be horrible, even when most aren't. But that's only for ambiguous cases where there can be weird interpretations, not something like this.

The only way I could see this being a problem would be if the battery were to fall off the top platform but stay on the bottom platform somehow, since then it would've technically fallen off if the other platform wasn't there.

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Re: End Task

Postby BobbyJoe » April 26th, 2019, 7:39 am

I have a question about the end task and timer. I have a timer that occurs simultaneously with the end task as in for every second the timer runs the end task moves up a certain distance. Is that legal and would I receive both timer points and end task points for this?
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Re: End Task

Postby CookiePie1 » April 26th, 2019, 8:27 am

BobbyJoe wrote:I have a question about the end task and timer. I have a timer that occurs simultaneously with the end task as in for every second the timer runs the end task moves up a certain distance. Is that legal and would I receive both timer points and end task points for this?


I think that might be considered a parallel task, therefore not allowed. I don't think you can have two actions going on at the same time.
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Re: End Task

Postby BobbyJoe » April 26th, 2019, 8:34 am

That was what I was worried about. Thanks!
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Re: End Task

Postby PM2017 » April 26th, 2019, 5:53 pm

CookiePie1 wrote:
BobbyJoe wrote:I have a question about the end task and timer. I have a timer that occurs simultaneously with the end task as in for every second the timer runs the end task moves up a certain distance. Is that legal and would I receive both timer points and end task points for this?


I think that might be considered a parallel task, therefore not allowed. I don't think you can have two actions going on at the same time.

I'd argue that the timer in your case is the final action, so from the parallel action standpoint, your device is still perfectly legal. Unfortunately, per 4.c., this will be a violation.
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