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Mission Possible C

Postby windu34 » June 30th, 2018, 10:10 am

Mission Possible C: Participants design, build, test and document a Rube Goldberg-like device that completes a required action through an optional series of specific actions.

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby LostInTheSauce » September 7th, 2018, 8:11 am

Is electricity allowed for nonscorable actions? The rules state that you're only allowed to use electricity for certain scorable actions, but doesn't mention anything about nonscorable actions.

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby nicholasmaurer » September 7th, 2018, 8:29 am

LostInTheSauce wrote:Is electricity allowed for nonscorable actions? The rules state that you're only allowed to use electricity for certain scorable actions, but doesn't mention anything about nonscorable actions.


No. The rules say electricity is not allowed EXCEPT for specific scorable actions. Since non-scorable actions are not listed as exceptions, use of electricity is not permitted.
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby LostInTheSauce » September 7th, 2018, 8:37 am

nicholasmaurer wrote:
LostInTheSauce wrote:Is electricity allowed for nonscorable actions? The rules state that you're only allowed to use electricity for certain scorable actions, but doesn't mention anything about nonscorable actions.


No. The rules say electricity is not allowed EXCEPT for specific scorable actions. Since non-scorable actions are not listed as exceptions, use of electricity is not permitted.

Would that mean that all the electricity steps would essentially have to all be in succession? If you can't use electricity to initiate a non-scorable action, then the only way you can move from one electrical step to the next would be though the 4 steps. IMO, that would make the event a lot less interesting...

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby LostInTheSauce » September 7th, 2018, 8:41 am

LostInTheSauce wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
LostInTheSauce wrote:Is electricity allowed for nonscorable actions? The rules state that you're only allowed to use electricity for certain scorable actions, but doesn't mention anything about nonscorable actions.


No. The rules say electricity is not allowed EXCEPT for specific scorable actions. Since non-scorable actions are not listed as exceptions, use of electricity is not permitted.

Would that mean that all the electricity steps would essentially have to all be in succession? If you can't use electricity to initiate a non-scorable action, then the only way you can move from one electrical step to the next would be though the 4 steps. IMO, that would make the event a lot less interesting...

Unless scorable actions can initiate electrical actions. But if a scorable action initiates an electrical action, would that still count as using electricity within a scorable action? (like using something to connect a circuit or hit a switch)

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby nicholasmaurer » September 7th, 2018, 8:44 am

LostInTheSauce wrote:
LostInTheSauce wrote:
nicholasmaurer wrote:
No. The rules say electricity is not allowed EXCEPT for specific scorable actions. Since non-scorable actions are not listed as exceptions, use of electricity is not permitted.

Would that mean that all the electricity steps would essentially have to all be in succession? If you can't use electricity to initiate a non-scorable action, then the only way you can move from one electrical step to the next would be though the 4 steps. IMO, that would make the event a lot less interesting...

Unless scorable actions can initiate electrical actions. But if a scorable action initiates an electrical action, would that still count as using electricity within a scorable action? (like using something to connect a circuit or hit a switch)


As you can see in the descriptions of the scorable actions, including those that allow for electricity, "initiating the next action" is part of the current action. Therefore, for the actions where electricity is permitted, you can use that electricity to trigger the next step. However, once you being the next action, electricity can no longer play a role. You should be careful to delineate this on your ASL.
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby Wabbit » September 7th, 2018, 1:16 pm

On question 3b, how is transparent defined? Could peg board be considered transparent enough? What about peg board with a number of larger holes drilled in it to allow for looking in?

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby terence.tan » September 7th, 2018, 3:10 pm

Wabbit wrote:On question 3b, how is transparent defined? Could peg board be considered transparent enough? What about peg board with a number of larger holes drilled in it to allow for looking in?

peg board is not transparent
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby windu34 » September 7th, 2018, 5:48 pm

Wabbit wrote:On question 3b, how is transparent defined? Could peg board be considered transparent enough? What about peg board with a number of larger holes drilled in it to allow for looking in?

Transparent is either glass or acrylic or a similar material. A peg board with holes drilled is still opaque
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby Wabbit » September 7th, 2018, 6:15 pm

windu34 wrote:
Wabbit wrote:On question 3b, how is transparent defined? Could peg board be considered transparent enough? What about peg board with a number of larger holes drilled in it to allow for looking in?

Transparent is either glass or acrylic or a similar material. A peg board with holes drilled is still opaque


Mkay, that's what I assumed. Thanks.

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby TheSquaad » September 8th, 2018, 8:03 am

If I defined one task as ending with hitting a push switch, and then in the next task (such as infrared) I said the push switch connects a circuit, powering infrared, would that be legal under the electricity restrictions?

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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby Unome » September 8th, 2018, 10:09 am

TheSquaad wrote:If I defined one task as ending with hitting a push switch, and then in the next task (such as infrared) I said the push switch connects a circuit, powering infrared, would that be legal under the electricity restrictions?

That seems like it would work. There has to be some way to power the infrared.
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby c21k » September 20th, 2018, 6:45 pm

For the action with the two effervescent heartburn pills, would we need to utilize them based on how they chemically react with the water, or do you guys think we can use their physical mass to trigger the subsequent action?
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby Unome » September 20th, 2018, 7:01 pm

c21k wrote:For the action with the two effervescent heartburn pills, would we need to utilize them based on how they chemically react with the water, or do you guys think we can use their physical mass to trigger the subsequent action?

The specific wording used is "into water so the reaction triggers the next action". By my interpretation, if the next action can start without the tablet-water interaction, it wouldn't count as completing the action.
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Re: Mission Possible C

Postby c21k » September 20th, 2018, 7:15 pm

Unome wrote:
c21k wrote:For the action with the two effervescent heartburn pills, would we need to utilize them based on how they chemically react with the water, or do you guys think we can use their physical mass to trigger the subsequent action?

The specific wording used is "into water so the reaction triggers the next action". By my interpretation, if the next action can start without the tablet-water interaction, it wouldn't count as completing the action.


Let me clarify my thinking really quick: there would still be a tablet-water interaction with the tablets falling into the water, but rather than the chemical reaction caused by adding the tablet to the water triggering the next action, it would be just be the physical action of the tablets in the water that cause the next action. While the chemical reaction still takes place, that property of the tablet-water interaction would be irrelevant to starting the next action.
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