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Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 22nd, 2019, 9:16 pm
by mpnobivucyxtz
For the final task, our method of raising the platform may not actually stop the platform at any point because the motor we're using will continue running indefinitely. In accordance to the FAQ, can we connect an action to end the motor, or would that be considered "connected" to the task?

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 5:48 am
by TheSquaad
For the final task, our method of raising the platform may not actually stop the platform at any point because the motor we're using will continue running indefinitely. In accordance to the FAQ, can we connect an action to end the motor, or would that be considered "connected" to the task?
We’re just having the undercarriage of our platform hit a switch to turn off the motor. Something along those lines is 100% legal as long as it’s listed as part of the final action on your asl.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 7:24 am
by ET2020
I thought I would do a quick write-up now that Ive had some sleep and can think cohesively again. I am not going to release raw scores or anything of the such until I get permission to do so from MIT SciOly. But I will provide some useful comments and numbers that can be of use to you all.
Top 3: ~1200
Top 6: ~1100
Top 10: ~ 1000
Mean: ~650
Overall: Out of the 76 teams, only 57 showed up. MIT SciOly was VERY clear about running all events using Nationals rules this year - those that were tiered hopefully will be more vigilant about such things. Overall, the event ran pretty smoothly and I was quite pleased - I had put alot of thought into how I was going to run Mission for such a massive number of teams by myself. In the end, I knew I wasnt going to be able to judge all the devices myself, and I ended up recruiting two additional ESes that had varying levels of familiarity with the event, and I felt they did an outstanding job judging teams.
Since nationals rules were used at MIT, does that mean the target time was in the 90-120 second range, as it will be at nats, or 60 seconds, like it usually is for invitationals?

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 9:49 am
by CookiePie1
I thought I would do a quick write-up now that Ive had some sleep and can think cohesively again. I am not going to release raw scores or anything of the such until I get permission to do so from MIT SciOly. But I will provide some useful comments and numbers that can be of use to you all.
Top 3: ~1200
Top 6: ~1100
Top 10: ~ 1000
Mean: ~650
Overall: Out of the 76 teams, only 57 showed up. MIT SciOly was VERY clear about running all events using Nationals rules this year - those that were tiered hopefully will be more vigilant about such things. Overall, the event ran pretty smoothly and I was quite pleased - I had put alot of thought into how I was going to run Mission for such a massive number of teams by myself. In the end, I knew I wasnt going to be able to judge all the devices myself, and I ended up recruiting two additional ESes that had varying levels of familiarity with the event, and I felt they did an outstanding job judging teams.
Since nationals rules were used at MIT, does that mean the target time was in the 90-120 second range, as it will be at nats, or 60 seconds, like it usually is for invitationals?
Try reading the rules again, closely.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 10:42 am
by ET2020
Try reading the rules again, closely.
Section 4.e. says, "The Target Operation Time is 60.0 seconds at Regionals/Invitationals, 61.0 to 90.0 seconds at State,
and 91.0 to 120.0 seconds at Nationals."
I'm a bit confused because windu34 said they used Nationals rules at MIT, implying the 91.0 to 120.0 second target time, but the rules clearly state the target for invitationals is 60.0 seconds. Which time was used?

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 12:03 pm
by CookiePie1
Try reading the rules again, closely.
Section 4.e. says, "The Target Operation Time is 60.0 seconds at Regionals/Invitationals, 61.0 to 90.0 seconds at State,
and 91.0 to 120.0 seconds at Nationals."
I'm a bit confused because windu34 said they used Nationals rules at MIT, implying the 91.0 to 120.0 second target time, but the rules clearly state the target for invitationals is 60.0 seconds. Which time was used?
I see, sorry about that. What MIT does is run all of its events on national rules, which means that they DON'T use the regional/invitational rules. It's a bit wierd, since soinc.org says that invitationals should follow regional rules.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 1:49 pm
by JonB
Try reading the rules again, closely.
Section 4.e. says, "The Target Operation Time is 60.0 seconds at Regionals/Invitationals, 61.0 to 90.0 seconds at State,
and 91.0 to 120.0 seconds at Nationals."
I'm a bit confused because windu34 said they used Nationals rules at MIT, implying the 91.0 to 120.0 second target time, but the rules clearly state the target for invitationals is 60.0 seconds. Which time was used?

I can confirm what CookiePie1 stated- MIT does use National level rules for all events (as will SOUP, apparently). The target time at MIT was 112 seconds.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 23rd, 2019, 8:52 pm
by PM2017
Try reading the rules again, closely.
Section 4.e. says, "The Target Operation Time is 60.0 seconds at Regionals/Invitationals, 61.0 to 90.0 seconds at State,
and 91.0 to 120.0 seconds at Nationals."
I'm a bit confused because windu34 said they used Nationals rules at MIT, implying the 91.0 to 120.0 second target time, but the rules clearly state the target for invitationals is 60.0 seconds. Which time was used?
Certain invites use states/nats rules, but they have to announce this to the participating teams beforehand.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 24th, 2019, 11:18 am
by nicholasmaurer
Try reading the rules again, closely.
Section 4.e. says, "The Target Operation Time is 60.0 seconds at Regionals/Invitationals, 61.0 to 90.0 seconds at State,
and 91.0 to 120.0 seconds at Nationals."
I'm a bit confused because windu34 said they used Nationals rules at MIT, implying the 91.0 to 120.0 second target time, but the rules clearly state the target for invitationals is 60.0 seconds. Which time was used?
Certain invites use states/nats rules, but they have to announce this to the participating teams beforehand.
I'm not a fan of the practice, but it's certainly the prerogative of the tournament director. I think it makes it challenging for teams (like many in Ohio) who segment their season into an invitational portion and a state/nationals preparation portion.

Re: Mission Possible C

Posted: January 24th, 2019, 5:38 pm
by Vortexx
So it says that timing stops when the final task stops moving. However, if it never moves, but yet it was intended to, would the timing then be stopped?