Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby demir » February 11th, 2019, 8:54 am

Yeah so why is everyone putting Boca Raton in the 7th-9th range?

Provided Mason stacks, and the WW-P schools do not:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. LASA
4. Harriton
5. Boca Raton
6. New Trier
7. WW-P North
8. Montgomery
9. WW-P South
10. Lower Merion
People like to dismiss recent success as possible fluke in the face of history/tradition. Some very informed people underrated Mason last year because it was going to be their first time at Nationals despite their success suggested otherwise. Those being said, i think the parity is increasing in Science Olympiad. The placements may be shaped mostly by who bombs what. This may sound silly, but I think Troy was not very active in invitationals and it may make them more likely to fail in some events. I would not be shocked if they don't get in top 3 this time.

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Alex-RCHS » February 11th, 2019, 9:34 am

People like to dismiss recent success as possible fluke in the face of history/tradition.
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This may sound silly, but I think Troy was not very active in invitationals and it may make them more likely to fail in some events. I would not be shocked if they don't get in top 3 this time.
Edit: I need to start watching what I say lol

Demir, why do you say this? Troy has been extremely successful of late (Troy has placed first in every single tournament they've competed in in the last 2 years). Bombs can happen to any team. They don't happen often to Troy, and even when they do Troy's excellence in the rest of their events usually makes up for it.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby whythelongface » February 11th, 2019, 10:02 am

Yeah so why is everyone putting Boca Raton in the 7th-9th range?

Provided Mason stacks, and the WW-P schools do not:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. LASA
4. Harriton
5. Boca Raton
6. New Trier
7. WW-P North
8. Montgomery
9. WW-P South
10. Lower Merion
WW-P schools will probably stack. I don't think we've seen North fully stacked this season, which means that when they're at SOUP they will likely be extremely strong. I would put them at least two places about South when it comes to stacked teams.

I would not be surprised if North edges out LASA. Given their meteoric success last year, I expect it to happen, actually.

I doubt Harriton will do super well this year, either. Assuming Harriton stacked A team for MIT and B team for the concurrent BVF invite, neither won against a WW-P school. And Montgomery has been losing to South's unstacked teams so there's no clear indication they would beat South stacked.

Sorry if I am obsessing over WW-P, it's the only schools I know really well. Good luck to all.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby PotatoBoi » February 11th, 2019, 10:15 am

Yeah so why is everyone putting Boca Raton in the 7th-9th range?

Provided Mason stacks, and the WW-P schools do not:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. LASA
4. Harriton
5. Boca Raton
6. New Trier
7. WW-P North
8. Montgomery
9. WW-P South
10. Lower Merion
WW-P schools will probably stack. I don't think we've seen North fully stacked this season, which means that when they're at SOUP they will likely be extremely strong. I would put them at least two places about South when it comes to stacked teams.

I would not be surprised if North edges out LASA. Given their meteoric success last year, I expect it to happen, actually.

I doubt Harriton will do super well this year, either. Assuming Harriton stacked A team for MIT and B team for the concurrent BVF invite, neither won against a WW-P school. And Montgomery has been losing to South's unstacked teams so there's no clear indication they would beat South stacked.

Sorry if I am obsessing over WW-P, it's the only schools I know really well. Good luck to all.
Sorry to dissapoint, but North isn't stacking and also some people are going to HMMT instead...

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby whythelongface » February 11th, 2019, 10:43 am

Sorry to dissapoint, but North isn't stacking and also some people are going to HMMT instead...
Has North stacked at all this season?
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby builderguy135 » February 11th, 2019, 10:57 am

Sorry to dissapoint, but North isn't stacking and also some people are going to HMMT instead...
Has North stacked at all this season?
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby lumosityfan » February 11th, 2019, 11:27 am

Well here goes with my predictions (prepare for half of these to be horribly wrong lol :( )

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Boca Raton
4. LASA
5. New Trier
6. South
7. North
8. Rustin
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Raleway » February 11th, 2019, 6:04 pm

Gonna adjust my predictions...

1. Troy
2. Boca Raton
3. LASA
4. Harriton
5. New Trier
6. Mason
7. Montgomery
8. WWPN
9. WWPS
10. Lower Merion

Some explanation for this radical change:

1. Boca Raton did really well last weekend and also did really well at MIT, placing top 3 in numerous events, so I'm going to assume they've also shored up some of their weak points
2. Mason lost their core group of seniors last year and their team does not seem as dominant as last year.
3. Harriton did relatively poorly at MIT and has not shown their dominance of past years
4. LASA placed under Boca Raton at MIT but above Harriton so I put them right in between
5. Both WWP teams will have short-handed rosters due to HMMT and WWPN traditionally does not bring full strength teams either due to scheduling or to conceal whatever;
6. WWPS traditionally does not stack hard at invitationals and North might follow that especially due to HMMT
7. Lower Merion had a strong performance at PUSO last weekend

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby sciolyperson1 » February 11th, 2019, 6:22 pm

Gonna adjust my predictions...

1. Troy
2. Boca Raton
3. LASA
4. Harriton
5. New Trier
6. Mason
7. Montgomery
8. WWPN
9. WWPS
10. Lower Merion

Some explanation for this radical change:

1. Boca Raton did really well last weekend and also did really well at MIT, placing top 3 in numerous events, so I'm going to assume they've also shored up some of their weak points
2. Mason lost their core group of seniors last year and their team does not seem as dominant as last year.
3. Harriton did relatively poorly at MIT and has not shown their dominance of past years
4. LASA placed under Boca Raton at MIT but above Harriton so I put them right in between
5. Both WWP teams will have short-handed rosters due to HMMT and WWPN traditionally does not bring full strength teams either due to scheduling or to conceal whatever;
6. WWPS traditionally does not stack hard at invitationals and North might follow that especially due to HMMT
7. Lower Merion had a strong performance at PUSO last weekend

But what do I know :?:
Will/Does Montgomery do HMMT as well?
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Raleway » February 11th, 2019, 6:33 pm


Will/Does Montgomery do HMMT as well?
No idea; never seen them at HMMT before.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby demir » February 12th, 2019, 12:56 pm

People like to dismiss recent success as possible fluke in the face of history/tradition.
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This may sound silly, but I think Troy was not very active in invitationals and it may make them more likely to fail in some events. I would not be shocked if they don't get in top 3 this time.
Edit: I need to start watching what I say lol

Demir, why do you say this? Troy has been extremely successful of late (Troy has placed first in every single tournament they've competed in in the last 2 years). Bombs can happen to any team. They don't happen often to Troy, and even when they do Troy's excellence in the rest of their events usually makes up for it.

Well, intuition? I did not see Troy participating in many tournaments this year. Sure, I think they are the best team by far in recent years. Just like I thought MIT was the best invitational by far. Getting too confident hinders preparation. I feel that Troy may not be as hungry as some of the other top tier schools out there just like MIT did not seem as hungry as some other organizations, and the performance was underwhelming (for their standards) A team that has been to 5-6 invitationals already is less likely to bomb building/inquiry events. Drive and competition experience is paramount and Troy may be somewhat lacking this year. (I know that sounded ridiculous) Them getting a very dominant win won't surprise anyone. Troy is Troy. But, at the same time, jerseys don't win competitions.

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby 4Head » February 12th, 2019, 2:04 pm

People like to dismiss recent success as possible fluke in the face of history/tradition.
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This may sound silly, but I think Troy was not very active in invitationals and it may make them more likely to fail in some events. I would not be shocked if they don't get in top 3 this time.
Edit: I need to start watching what I say lol

Demir, why do you say this? Troy has been extremely successful of late (Troy has placed first in every single tournament they've competed in in the last 2 years). Bombs can happen to any team. They don't happen often to Troy, and even when they do Troy's excellence in the rest of their events usually makes up for it.

Well, intuition? I did not see Troy participating in many tournaments this year. Sure, I think they are the best team by far in recent years. Just like I thought MIT was the best invitational by far. Getting too confident hinders preparation. I feel that Troy may not be as hungry as some of the other top tier schools out there just like MIT did not seem as hungry as some other organizations, and the performance was underwhelming (for their standards) A team that has been to 5-6 invitationals already is less likely to bomb building/inquiry events. Drive and competition experience is paramount and Troy may be somewhat lacking this year. (I know that sounded ridiculous) Them getting a very dominant win won't surprise anyone. Troy is Troy. But, at the same time, jerseys don't win competitions.
They never go to many invites...

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » February 12th, 2019, 3:35 pm

Edit: I need to start watching what I say lol

Demir, why do you say this? Troy has been extremely successful of late (Troy has placed first in every single tournament they've competed in in the last 2 years). Bombs can happen to any team. They don't happen often to Troy, and even when they do Troy's excellence in the rest of their events usually makes up for it.

Well, intuition? I did not see Troy participating in many tournaments this year. Sure, I think they are the best team by far in recent years. Just like I thought MIT was the best invitational by far. Getting too confident hinders preparation. I feel that Troy may not be as hungry as some of the other top tier schools out there just like MIT did not seem as hungry as some other organizations, and the performance was underwhelming (for their standards) A team that has been to 5-6 invitationals already is less likely to bomb building/inquiry events. Drive and competition experience is paramount and Troy may be somewhat lacking this year. (I know that sounded ridiculous) Them getting a very dominant win won't surprise anyone. Troy is Troy. But, at the same time, jerseys don't win competitions.
They never go to many invites...

I won't pretend to know what they do, but there's no way on the planet that their students aren't hungry
Troy has already gone to a few West Coast invites. They typically only go to one major East Coast invite each year, this year's being SOUP.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby demir » February 12th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Edit: I need to start watching what I say lol

Demir, why do you say this? Troy has been extremely successful of late (Troy has placed first in every single tournament they've competed in in the last 2 years). Bombs can happen to any team. They don't happen often to Troy, and even when they do Troy's excellence in the rest of their events usually makes up for it.

Well, intuition? I did not see Troy participating in many tournaments this year. Sure, I think they are the best team by far in recent years. Just like I thought MIT was the best invitational by far. Getting too confident hinders preparation. I feel that Troy may not be as hungry as some of the other top tier schools out there just like MIT did not seem as hungry as some other organizations, and the performance was underwhelming (for their standards) A team that has been to 5-6 invitationals already is less likely to bomb building/inquiry events. Drive and competition experience is paramount and Troy may be somewhat lacking this year. (I know that sounded ridiculous) Them getting a very dominant win won't surprise anyone. Troy is Troy. But, at the same time, jerseys don't win competitions.
They never go to many invites...

I won't pretend to know what they do, but there's no way on the planet that their students aren't hungry
As far as Troy is concerned, that is my point. They seem to do the same old. I expect them to be about equally powerful, similarly hungry and equally well-prepared. I don't think they will regress. But they should not be improved much either, while many other teams seemingly did. "Several teams are much improved. Teams at the top are closer, so the placements are likely to be shaped by bombed events" was my point. A second point was a household name like Troy will be seen favorite based on their past history, while teams like Mason (of last year) or Boca (of this) will receive some suspicion despite their success.
In near past, Troy's rare mistakes may have not cost them much, but this year it probably will (if they make any mistake) Are they favorites? Yes. Would I be shocked if they don't place in top 3? No.

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Name » February 12th, 2019, 9:20 pm

Predictions (basically assuming everyones full strength and stacking which I know they arn't, no team B repeats)
1. Troy (Clear favorites)
2. Boca (Very strong MIT performance)
3. Mason
4. LASA
5. WWPN (yes I know they won't actually stack)
6. New Trier
7. Harriton (seemed extremly weak at MIT, but I don't want to place them any lower)
8. WWPS
9. Rustin
10. LM
11. Brookwood
12. Montgomery
13. Conestoga
14. Penncrest
15. South Brunswick
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