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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby windu34 » February 13th, 2019, 6:13 am

1. Troy
2. Boca Raton
3. Mason
4. LASA
5. Harriton
6. WW-P North
7. WW-P South
8. New Trier
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby FermiGod » February 13th, 2019, 7:40 am

windu34 wrote:1. Troy
2. Boca Raton
3. Mason
4. LASA
5. Harriton
6. WW-P North
7. WW-P South
8. New Trier
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery





1: Troy (Pretty clear why)
2: Mason (great team just a few events to work on but overall pretty solid)
3. New Trier (saw results from Solon and was really impressed aside from a few bombs that happened unexpectedly)
4. LASA (solid)
5. Harriton (I think they are improving)
6. Boca (solid team)
7. WWPN (top 5 of stacked)
8. WWPS
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 13th, 2019, 7:50 am

It's worth noting that everyone is working under the assumption that Harriton will do poorly, when that is not necessarily the case at all.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby masterWIZ » February 13th, 2019, 10:10 am

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Alex-RCHS » February 13th, 2019, 6:37 pm

demir wrote:As far as Troy is concerned, that is my point. They seem to do the same old. I expect them to be about equally powerful, similarly hungry and equally well-prepared. I don't think they will regress. But they should not be improved much either, while many other teams seemingly did. "Several teams are much improved. Teams at the top are closer, so the placements are likely to be shaped by bombed events" was my point. A second point was a household name like Troy will be seen favorite based on their past history, while teams like Mason (of last year) or Boca (of this) will receive some suspicion despite their success.
In near past, Troy's rare mistakes may have not cost them much, but this year it probably will (if they make any mistake) Are they favorites? Yes. Would I be shocked if they don't place in top 3? No.

Which teams got better? Who is a legitimate contender to beat Troy?

Not Mason. Troy beat them by a significant margin at nats and MIT last year, and Mason has clearly regressed since then. 3rd at Northmont. Not exactly terrible, but definitely worse than last year.

Not Boca. They look better than in past years, but they still got pounded by Mountain View at Golden Gate, and Mountain View didn't even make nats last year (granted, they're in NorCal, but still; if you can't beat Mountain View you can't beat Troy). They didn't even beat Troy Michigan at Northview.

LASA? Nope. 4th and 7th at Seven Lakes Invitational.

Nobody has gotten significantly better. If anything, I see an overall regression so far. There's no standout competitor to Troy thus far.

I'm not saying Troy is guaranteed to win. But it's very, very unlikely they'll lose, and there's absolutely zero indication that they're any more likely to do so this year than in years past.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Riptide » February 13th, 2019, 6:49 pm

Alex-RCHS wrote:Which teams got better? Who is a legitimate contender to beat Troy?

LASA? Nope. 4th and 7th at Seven Lakes.

Just going to point out that LASA sends majority freshman/new members to Texas Invitationals so you can’t really use that as any reference.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Alex-RCHS » February 13th, 2019, 7:02 pm

Riptide wrote:
Alex-RCHS wrote:Which teams got better? Who is a legitimate contender to beat Troy?

LASA? Nope. 4th and 7th at Seven Lakes.

Just going to point out that LASA sends majority freshman/new members to Texas Invitationals so you can’t really use that as any reference.

Fair enough, but still I see no reason they'd look *better* either.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby nicholasmaurer » February 13th, 2019, 7:22 pm

Alex-RCHS wrote:Not Mason. Troy beat them by a significant margin at nats and MIT last year, and Mason has clearly regressed since then. 3rd at Northmont. Not exactly terrible, but definitely worse than last year.


I am not sure that Northmont is a fair assessment of Mason. My understanding is that their teams were predominantly underclassman at this tournament. This makes sense given that it is a small, early invitational in a long Ohio season.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Raleway » February 13th, 2019, 7:29 pm

One stands above the rest; our Mason 2.0 for 2019 rightfully goes to ABRHS!

A pity that they will not face Troy at all before nationals.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Name » February 13th, 2019, 7:43 pm

Raleway wrote:One stands above the rest; our Mason 2.0 for 2019 rightfully goes to ABRHS!

A pity that they will not face Troy at all before nationals.


Wouldn't quite say Mason 2.0, ABRHS was top 10 nats last year when mason never even qualified for nats before last year.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby 4Head » February 14th, 2019, 3:02 am

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Raleway wrote:One stands above the rest; our Mason 2.0 for 2019 rightfully goes to ABRHS!

A pity that they will not face Troy at all before nationals.


Wouldn't quite say Mason 2.0, ABRHS was top 10 nats last year when mason never even qualified for nats before last year.

Mason most likely would’ve been top 10 nats in 2017 had they gone

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Alex-RCHS » February 14th, 2019, 6:33 am

nicholasmaurer wrote:I am not sure that Northmont is a fair assessment of Mason. My understanding is that their teams were predominantly underclassman at this tournament. This makes sense given that it is a small, early invitational in a long Ohio season.

Good point, but there's also Northview and Westlake results. My point isn't really that those teams are bad this year, but that there's zero indication that they're any better. Somebody definitely could beat Troy, but there's no reason to think it's any more likely than usual.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 14th, 2019, 6:51 am

4Head wrote:
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Raleway wrote:One stands above the rest; our Mason 2.0 for 2019 rightfully goes to ABRHS!

A pity that they will not face Troy at all before nationals.


Wouldn't quite say Mason 2.0, ABRHS was top 10 nats last year when mason never even qualified for nats before last year.

Mason most likely would’ve been top 10 nats in 2017 had they gone

If Mason qualified in 2017, they likely would have been top 15 but I would not have predicted them for top 10.

I concur with Alex-RCHS, in the opinion that overall, the top teams have generally declined since last year. I don't really think Solon is particularly stronger than last year, but I've been ranking them second because everyone else seems weaker.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby primitive_polonium » February 14th, 2019, 7:45 am

demir wrote:This may sound silly, but I think Troy was not very active in invitationals and it may make them more likely to fail in some events. I would not be shocked if they don't get in top 3 this time.


Hmm, hard to say on this. Troy has never attended more than 4 invites a year (5 if you include Iolani Online Invite) and probably will never attend more than 1 non-Cali invite. The cost/time/effort trade-off also isn't as worth it for them, since they need to travel for the the better part of a day to get to most bigger-name invites. They didn't attend GGSO this year, but their invite attendance this year is similar to what it usually is. Sure, maybe that makes them less "competition-ready", but between A-B team competition (rivalry is too strong of a word, though I'm sure there are individual rivalries), mock invites (not sure if they still do those), and the number of good test-takers they have, they're generally able to stay on top of their stuff. A lot of it also comes down to tryouts; in order to be competitive at school tryouts, you need to have mastered all the Nationals topics or have a high-functioning build.

I have no idea about the state of Troy builds, but I've been told they have some "big brains" on the study events. My one experience with them in this regards last week leads me to agree overwhelmingly with that statement. Bombs are certainly possible, though.

That said, losing SOUP may be good for Troy in the long-run. Troy tends to do well after they lose catastrophically (read: anything under 3rd). The sophomores of the devastating Nationals 2016 graduated last year, so institutional memory of loss has faded.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby DontWorryAboutIt » February 14th, 2019, 8:11 am

Unome wrote:
4Head wrote:
Name wrote:
Wouldn't quite say Mason 2.0, ABRHS was top 10 nats last year when mason never even qualified for nats before last year.

Mason most likely would’ve been top 10 nats in 2017 had they gone

If Mason qualified in 2017, they likely would have been top 15 but I would not have predicted them for top 10.

I concur with Alex-RCHS, in the opinion that overall, the top teams have generally declined since last year. I don't really think Solon is particularly stronger than last year, but I've been ranking them second because everyone else seems weaker.


I disagree. Mason was right up there with Solon in 2017, and I think that they would have almost certainly placed in the top 10. IMO that year they were a better team than Mentor, it was just that Mentor had a really good state tournament. Then again, these are just my opinions. :D
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