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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » February 14th, 2019, 8:31 am

DontWorryAboutIt wrote:I disagree. Mason was right up there with Solon in 2017, and I think that they would have almost certainly placed in the top 10. IMO that year they were a better team than Mentor, it was just that Mentor had a really good state tournament. Then again, these are just my opinions. :D

It certainly would have been close. In my opinion, Mason that year was more well-suited for competing at nationals than Mentor. I know I predicted Mentor to get top 10 that year (incorrectly, in hingsight), so I would have probably placed Mason in the 8th-12th range. Regardless, last year's Mason team was the exception rather than the rule in terms of a first-year nationals team in terms of how successful they were.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 14th, 2019, 9:24 am

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:It certainly would have been close. In my opinion, Mason that year was more well-suited for competing at nationals than Mentor. I know I predicted Mentor to get top 10 that year (incorrectly, in hingsight), so I would have probably placed Mason in the 8th-12th range. Regardless, last year's Mason team was the exception rather than the rule in terms of a first-year nationals team in terms of how successful they were.

I can see why Mason would be more well-suited to Nationals, especially given that Mentor had regressed quite a bit that year actually.
DontWorryAboutIt wrote:I disagree. Mason was right up there with Solon in 2017, and I think that they would have almost certainly placed in the top 10. IMO that year they were a better team than Mentor, it was just that Mentor had a really good state tournament. Then again, these are just my opinions. :D

If not for two bombs Solon would have scored in the 50s at state, so in my opinion Mason really was not right up there with Solon in 2017.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby antoine_ego » February 14th, 2019, 4:21 pm

My own spicy predicts:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Harriton
4. Boca Raton
5. LASA
6. WW-P North
7. New Trier
8. WW-P South
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery

I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 14th, 2019, 5:13 pm

antoine_ego wrote:I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.

There was that time Centerville was top 4 at Nationals for 9 years in a row before placing 12th with no warning. But I generally agree, Harriton is probably a little underrated.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby windu34 » February 14th, 2019, 7:04 pm

Unome wrote:
antoine_ego wrote:I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.

There was that time Centerville was top 4 at Nationals for 9 years in a row before placing 12th with no warning. But I generally agree, Harriton is probably a little underrated.

Idk, Ive heard that they lost their main builder(s) and all their tech/physics has gone down the hole
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby klastyioer » February 15th, 2019, 6:49 am

windu34 wrote:
Unome wrote:
antoine_ego wrote:I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.

There was that time Centerville was top 4 at Nationals for 9 years in a row before placing 12th with no warning. But I generally agree, Harriton is probably a little underrated.

Idk, Ive heard that they lost their main builder(s) and all their tech/physics has gone down the hole

lmao where did you hear that from
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Rossyspsce » February 15th, 2019, 7:55 am

antoine_ego wrote:My own spicy predicts:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Harriton
4. Boca Raton
5. LASA
6. WW-P North
7. New Trier
8. WW-P South
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery

I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.


Wait so it's confirmed wwp north and south will be attending soup over Cornell or is the split teams thing allowed for invitationals?

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby pb5754[] » February 15th, 2019, 8:18 am

Rossyspsce wrote:
antoine_ego wrote:My own spicy predicts:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Harriton
4. Boca Raton
5. LASA
6. WW-P North
7. New Trier
8. WW-P South
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery

I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.


Wait so it's confirmed wwp north and south will be attending soup over Cornell or is the split teams thing allowed for invitationals?

South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » February 15th, 2019, 8:28 am

pb5754[] wrote:South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.

Sending teams to two different invites on the same day is allowed and has been done before. I'm not sure if that's what North's plan is or not.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby builderguy135 » February 15th, 2019, 9:05 am

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:
pb5754[] wrote:South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.

Sending teams to two different invites on the same day is allowed and has been done before. I'm not sure if that's what North's plan is or not.


North is only going to soup iirc unstacked (2 teams). I also know of a few people going to other competitions (MUN and HMMT).
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Rossyspsce » February 15th, 2019, 11:24 am

pb5754[] wrote:
Rossyspsce wrote:
antoine_ego wrote:My own spicy predicts:

1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Harriton
4. Boca Raton
5. LASA
6. WW-P North
7. New Trier
8. WW-P South
9. Lower Merion
10. Montgomery

I'm not buying that Harriton isn't still powerful. MIT was basically their builds failing, so I think they're being severely underestimated. A top 3 nationals team doesn't drop this quickly.


Wait so it's confirmed wwp north and south will be attending soup over Cornell or is the split teams thing allowed for invitationals?

South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.


I thought they released something saying you can't send teams to multiple competitions on the same day? That's why Troy didn't attend GGSO, or did rule only apply to sending a team to a state competition like regionals/state and to an invitational?

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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 15th, 2019, 12:20 pm

Rossyspsce wrote:
pb5754[] wrote:
Rossyspsce wrote:
Wait so it's confirmed wwp north and south will be attending soup over Cornell or is the split teams thing allowed for invitationals?

South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.


I thought they released something saying you can't send teams to multiple competitions on the same day? That's why Troy didn't attend GGSO, or did rule only apply to sending a team to a state competition like regionals/state and to an invitational?

That was a SoCal rule.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby primitive_polonium » February 15th, 2019, 1:59 pm

Unome wrote:
Rossyspsce wrote:
pb5754[] wrote:South never signed up for Cornell, so they were always going to SOUP. North will be going to SOUP and not Cornell, I'm pretty sure, although a school is allowed to send teams to two different invitationals on the same day.


I thought they released something saying you can't send teams to multiple competitions on the same day? That's why Troy didn't attend GGSO, or did rule only apply to sending a team to a state competition like regionals/state and to an invitational?

That was a SoCal rule.


A SoCal rule that really only got enforced after the first time Troy sent their A team to GGSO and their B team to regionals. And the state really only cracked down because everyone knew what happened; GGSO is a high profile invite, and quite a few people talked about Troy sending their B team to regionals. No one really cares about double-timing invites, anyway. It's not an invite's place to modulate that.

Until someone does the same thing to NJ, they won't care. And that's assuming the state finds out in the first place.
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Re: Science Olympiad at Penn Invitational 2019

Postby Unome » February 15th, 2019, 8:11 pm

primitive_polonium wrote:Until someone does the same thing to NJ, they won't care. And that's assuming the state finds out in the first place.

And also assuming that the state actually wants to discourage it - they may not.
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