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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Efesa » September 25th, 2020, 11:37 am

pb5754 wrote:
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I think for many teams it's not extra
Changed definition of extra studying to: "Studying even though you know you are ready for the competition"
if you are ready, then you should have a good shot at getting a medal :)
Usually, but an exception is in this invitational. There are too many teams, which doesn't support teams getting medals as often.
Even so the JT invitational had 69 teams and people from my school still medaled
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Umaroth » September 25th, 2020, 11:38 am

Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:37 am
pb5754 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:32 am
Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:29 am

Changed definition of extra studying to: "Studying even though you know you are ready for the competition"
if you are ready, then you should have a good shot at getting a medal :)
Usually, but an exception is in this invitational. There are too many teams, which doesn't support teams getting medals as often.
Even so the JT invitational had at least 100 teams and people from my school still medaled
JT had 69 teams, and gave medals for top 6, bearso is giving medals for the top 10%, about a similar percentage
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Efesa » September 25th, 2020, 11:40 am

Umaroth wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:38 am
Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:37 am
pb5754 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:32 am


if you are ready, then you should have a good shot at getting a medal :)
Usually, but an exception is in this invitational. There are too many teams, which doesn't support teams getting medals as often.
Even so the JT invitational had at least 100 teams and people from my school still medaled
JT had 69 teams, and gave medals for top 6, bearso is giving medals for the top 10%, about a similar percentage
Oh, so the BearSo invy will be comparable to the JT invitational from last year.
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Umaroth » September 25th, 2020, 11:53 am

Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:40 am
Umaroth wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:38 am
Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:37 am


Usually, but an exception is in this invitational. There are too many teams, which doesn't support teams getting medals as often.
Even so the JT invitational had at least 100 teams and people from my school still medaled
JT had 69 teams, and gave medals for top 6, bearso is giving medals for the top 10%, about a similar percentage
Oh, so the BearSo invy will be comparable to the JT invitational from last year.
In terms of competition I am not sure. At JT invite for top teams we had Kennedy with two teams that consistently medalled, JT with two consistent teams, and Kraemer with one consistent team. For BEARSO we have Kennedy with probably two teams that will consistently medal, Jeffrey Trail again with two strong teams, Churchill who will have at least one strong team, Sierra Vista probably with at least one fairly strong team, Piedmont IB, and perhaps Dodgen, Preston, Oak Valley, Eagle View, and Harlan Rowe for teams I would expect to earn some medals. We also have to consider the fact that JT invite was the last invitational of the season for SoCal whereas this is the first invitational in the country.
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Efesa » September 25th, 2020, 11:54 am

Umaroth wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:53 am
Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:40 am
Umaroth wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:38 am


JT had 69 teams, and gave medals for top 6, bearso is giving medals for the top 10%, about a similar percentage
Oh, so the BearSo invy will be comparable to the JT invitational from last year.
In terms of competition I am not sure. At JT invite for top teams we had Kennedy with two teams that consistently medalled, JT with two consistent teams, and Kraemer with one consistent team. For BEARSO we have Kennedy with probably two teams that will consistently medal, Jeffrey Trail again with two strong teams, Churchill who will have at least one strong team, Sierra Vista probably with at least one fairly strong team, Piedmont IB, and perhaps Dodgen, Preston, Oak Valley, Eagle View, and Harlan Rowe for teams I would expect to earn some medals. We also have to consider the fact that JT invite was the last invitational of the season for SoCal whereas this is the first invitational in the country.
Its gonna get way harder for sure. I predict that Kennedy is gonna medal in at least 15 events.
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Godspeed » September 25th, 2020, 12:17 pm

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This invitational is literally going to be so crazy! :D
I don't think anyone from my slightly above-average school would get a medal. There has to be like at least 80 teams in division B.
Maybe you guys are great at an event everyone else does relatively worse in :?: some hope can't hurt, right?
Yeah, like we're not the best in all of our events but we definitely do have a few events where we could probably place.

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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Godspeed » September 25th, 2020, 12:19 pm

Umaroth wrote:
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Plenty of people do that to make sure they know everything and to memorize some extra info
See, that's the definition of "extra studying".
I think for many teams it's not extra
If you want to actually win, your gonna have to do that so if your mindest is to win, that's 100% not extra.

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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by SilverBreeze » September 25th, 2020, 1:14 pm

Defining what you do as normal and anything beyond that as "extra" might be a little narcissistic, no?

SciOly isn't about studying "enough." To do well competitively, it's about studying as much as your priorities and your own schedule allow you to. When you don't medal, other than external circumstances, it's typically because other teams studied more than you. Saying extra studying is studying when you don't need to is a bit odd, as you don't need to prepare for SciOly at all, so any studying could be considered extra.


As gz and others have mentioned, saying you won't do well and studying "enough" is enough can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Godspeed » September 25th, 2020, 2:34 pm

SilverBreeze wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 1:14 pm
Defining what you do as normal and anything beyond that as "extra" might be a little narcissistic, no?

SciOly isn't about studying "enough." To do well competitively, it's about studying as much as your priorities and your own schedule allow you to. When you don't medal, other than external circumstances, it's typically because other teams studied more than you. Saying extra studying is studying when you don't need to is a bit odd, as you don't need to prepare for SciOly at all, so any studying could be considered extra.


As gz and others have mentioned, saying you won't do well and studying "enough" is enough can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Yeah I mean you could be studying a lot more than other people, but you might be studying the wrong things or not studying as efficiently as some others do.

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Re: BEARSO Invitational

Post by Crimesolver » September 25th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Efesa wrote:
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All of our best people graduated last year, but some extra studying might make my team medal in the harder events (e.g. fossils)
Efesa wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:29 am
Changed definition of extra studying to: "Studying even though you know you are ready for the competition"
I don't think you should refer to it as "extra studying" since it truly isn't extra.

I think I know what middle school you are currently attending, and I attended the same one. Knowing what middle school you are presumably from, I can tell you that there is so much more to study. The state champion middle schools like Jeffrey Trail and Kraemer study their butts off in order to get those high rankings. It may seem really easy from an outsider perspective, but I assure you it is not. It is super hard to medal at an invitational where multiple powerhouses will be presents, let alone 80 team.

The thing about using the term "extra studying" is that it implies that you are basically done with studying, but you have to remember you are not. In Science Olympiad, there is so much to study and so much to learn, and that learning shouldn't be capped just because you think you are ready. You can be confident, but you shouldn't be stopping your studying the week before a competition just because you feel ready. As an alumni, I want you guys to do your best and reach higher, but limiting the number of hours you study will not help you guys reach a higher place.

You may have been able to place in the competitions you've attended, and that's awesome, but I suggest that you change your mindset on having to do"extra studying." You should really be studying as much as possible, to the best of your abilities, as there is nothing extra about learning new things.
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