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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » January 16th, 2021, 8:43 pm

EwwPhysics wrote:
January 16th, 2021, 6:34 pm
Thoughts on PA teams at rustin (based on superscore):
  • Springhouse was above all the other PA teams by a decent amount (260 vs 384 points)
  • I was surprised about how well Mountain View did, they beat Eagle View by a significant amount (last year, Eagle View was slightly better than them)
  • I don't really know how to interpret SSA's result, especially since they didn't compete at Rustin last year. Seems to be a relatively standard year for them? I don't know
  • Harlan Rowe... probably hit hard by the lack of builds, and I think they may have lost a lot of 9th graders (don't quote me on this). Eagle View was right behind them so it'll be interesting to see if they remain this close as the season progresses.
  • Strath Haven and Bala Cynwyd were about 100 points behind eagle view/harlan rowe, with Strath Haven beating Bala by about 50 points. To be honest both of these schools did better than I expected them to, good job to them :)
  • Overall, it's looking like states is going to be very exciting this year in division b! I wonder if mountain view will make nats 👀
Darn, I got so excited when I saw someone mentioning Strath Haven, but it's about the middle school :(

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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by EastStroudsburg13 » January 17th, 2021, 10:39 am

I have heard a bit about PA combining regionals this year. By the sounds of it, all regionals are held on the same day and use the same materials, so I frankly don't understand why this decision is necessary. It's not like you need a minimum amount of teams to make using a facility worth it. I can understand the desire to not have some regionals significantly smaller than others, but why artificially combine regionals when unnecessary?

I did some analysis of the registered teams and where they would have typically competed. I came up with the following:

Division B
C 12
CE 5
NE 8
NW 6
SE 12
SW 9

Division C
C 18
CE 16
NE 18
NW 7
SEN 17
SES 12
SW 18

From this, it seems like the logical combinations would be: NE+CE and SW+NW in Division B, and SW+NW in Division C. I don't really see the need to combine beyond that; it helps maintain the typical regional structure, and having a smallest regional size of 12 teams is more than reasonable, in my opinion.

Am I missing something? Why would there be a need to make this more complex than it needs to be?
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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by nendawen » January 17th, 2021, 6:46 pm

B Division

Regional # Teams
West
B101 Eagle View Middle School
B102 Eastern York Middle School
B103 Hershey Middle School
B104 Middletown Area Middle School
B105 Millersburg Area Middle School
B106 Mountain View Middle School
B107 Nittany Christian School
B108 Park Forest Middle School
B109 Saint Leo the Great Catholic School
B110 Warwick Middle School
B111 Waynesboro Middle School
B112 Brookville Jr./Sr. High School
B113 Clarion Area Jr Sr High School
B114 Kane Area Middle School
B115 Laurel Middle School
B116 North East Middle School
B117 Wattsburg Area Middle School
B118 Dickson Intermediate School
B119 Franklin Regional Middle School
B120 McGuffey Middle School
B121 Peters Township Middle School
B122 Quaker Valley Middle School
B123 Ringgold Middle School
B124 Shady Side Academy Middle School
B125 Spring Valley School
B126 Winchester Thurston Middle School
B127 Central Dauphin Middle School



East
B201 Springhouse Middle School
B202 Whitehall Coplay Middle School
B203 Abington Heights Middle School
B204 Dallas Middle School
B205 Exeter Township Junior High School
B206 Harlan Rowe Middle School
B207 Kutztown Area Middle School
B208 Lake-Lehman Junior Senior High School
B209 Martin L. Mattei Middle School
B210 North Pocono Middle School
B211 Wallenpaupack Middle School
B212 Wayne Highlands Middle School
B213 Bala Cynwyd Middle School
B214 Cedarbrook Middle School
B215 G.A. Stetson Middle School
B216 J. R. Fugett Middle School
B217 John F. McCloskey School
B218 Peirce Middle School
B219 Penn Wood Middle
B220 Springton Lake Middle School
B221 Strath Haven Middle School
B222 Tredyffrin/Easttown Middle School
B223 Upper Merion Middle School
B224 Welsh Valley Middle School
B225 Fleetwood Area Middle School
Alt B301 Eagle View Middle School
B302 Hershey Middle School
B303 Mountain View Middle School
B304 Saint Leo the Great Catholic School
B305 Saint Leo the Great Catholic School
B306 Warwick Middle School
B307 Harlan Rowe Middle School
B308 North Pocono Middle School
B309 Bala Cynwyd Middle School
B310 G.A. Stetson Middle School
B311 J. R. Fugett Middle School
B312 Tredyffrin/Easttown Middle School
B313 Shady Side Academy Middle School
B314 Winchester Thurston Middle School
B315 Springhouse Middle School
B316 North Pocono Middle School
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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by nendawen » January 17th, 2021, 6:50 pm

C Division Regional # Teams
SE

C101 Central High School
C102 Harriton High School
C103 Hatboro-Horsham High School
C104 JR Masterman School
C105 Lower Merion High School
C106 North Penn High School
C107 Perkiomen School
C108 Perkiomen Valley High School
C109 Philadelphia High School for Girls
C110 Plymouth Whitemarsh High School
C111 The Shipley School
C112 Upper Dublin High School
C113 Upper Merion Area High School
C114 Wissahickon S.H.S
C115 B. Reed Henderson High School
C116 Bayard Rustin High School
C117 Central Bucks High School West
C118 Conestoga High School
C119 Garnet Valley High School
C120 Germantown Friends School
C121 Great Valley High School
C122 Haverford High School
C123 Penn Wood High School
C124 Penncrest High School
C125 Phoenixville Area High School
C126 Springfield High School
C127 Strath Haven High School
C128 West Chester East High School
C129 Central Bucks High School South

West
C201 Claron Area Jr/Sr High
C202 Kane Area High School
C203 Laurel High School
C204 North East High School
C205 Seneca High School
C206 Venango Catholic High School
C207 Bethel Park High School
C208 Canon-McMillan High School
C209 Central Cambria High School
C210 Franklin Regional Senior High School
C211 Jefferson Morgan High School
C212 McGuffey High School
C213 Montour High School
C214 Mt. Lebanon High School
C215 Norwin High School
C216 Penns Manor Jr/Sr High School
C217 Peters Township High School
C218
Pittsburgh Science and Technology Academy
C219 Plum High School
C220 Quaker Valley High School
C221 Ringgold High School
C222 Shady Side Academy
C223 Winchester Thurston Upper School
C224 Woodland Hills High School
C225 Brookville Jr./Sr. High School

Central
C301 Cedar Cliff High School
C302 Central Dauphin East High School
C303 Central Dauphin High School
C304 Conestoga Valley High School
C305 Cumberland Valley High School
C306 Dauphin County Technical School
C307 Donegal High School
C308 Elizabethtown Area High School
C309 Ephrata High School
C310 Hershey High School
C311 Middletown Area High School
C312 Millersburg Area High School
C313 Red Land High School
C314 State College High School
C315 Waynesboro High School
C316 York Suburban High School
C317 Fleetwood Area High School
C318 Governor Mifflin High School
C319 Kutztown Area High School
C320 Oley Valley High School
C321 Parkland High School
C322 Schuylkill Valley High School
C323 Whitehall High School
C324 Wilson High School (West Lawn)
C325 Bermudian Springs High School
C326 Eastern York High School

NE
C401 Athens Area High School
C402 Crestwood Secondary Campus
C403 Dallas High School
C404 Delaware Valley High School
C405 East Stroudsburg South
C406 Honesdale High School
C407 Lake-Lehman Junior Senior High School
C408 North Pocono High School
C409 Pittston Area High School
C410 Pocono Mountain East High School
C411 Pocono Mountain West High School
C412 Scranton Preparatory School
C413 Stroudsburg High School
C414 Wallenpaupack Area High School
C415 Weatherly Area High School
C416 Wyoming Area Secondary Center
C417 Wyoming Seminary Upper School
C418 Allentown Central Catholic High School
C419 Emmaus High School
C420 Exeter Township Senior High
C421 Nazareth Area High School
C422 Northampton Area High School
C423 Northwestern Lehigh High School
C424 Twin Valley High School
C425 Abington Heights High School

ALT
C501 Exeter Township Senior High
C502 Northwestern Lehigh High School
C503 Cumberland Valley High School
C504 Cumberland Valley High School
C505 Ephrata High School
C506 Red Land High School
C507 Waynesboro High School
C508 York Suburban High School
C509 Athens Area High School
C510 North Pocono High School
C511 Stroudsburg High School
C512 Wyoming Area Secondary Center
C513 Harriton High School
C514 Lower Merion High School
C515 North Penn High School
C516 Bayard Rustin High School
C517 Central Bucks High School West
C518 Conestoga High School
C519 Phoenixville Area High School
C520 Mt. Lebanon High School
C521 Mt. Lebanon High School
C522
Pittsburgh Science and Technology Academy
C523 Shady Side Academy
C524 Allentown Central Catholic High School

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Rustin AA

Post by nendawen » January 17th, 2021, 6:50 pm

Some interesting results in Rustin AA too
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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by sciolyperson1 » January 17th, 2021, 10:40 pm

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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by CrayolaCrayon » January 18th, 2021, 9:12 am

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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by EastStroudsburg13 » January 18th, 2021, 2:23 pm

For comparison, the largest B regional in a typical year was Southeast. In 2019 and 2020, they had 23 teams. This year, the regionals are 27 and 25 teams, respectively. How does this make any sense in a year like this?

Typically I am in pretty solid lockstep with PASO, but I could not disagree more with how regionals are being run this year. It was a perfect year to give extra recognition to the teams that are sticking it out to compete. Artificially making the regionals larger than they need to be does not accomplish anything tangible, and only hurts the mid/low-tier teams. My only hope is that once we return to a conventional climate, we will return to the old system, which was pretty balanced and one of the best regional arrangements I have seen in the nation.

If there's some major factor I'm overlooking, I would love to hear it.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by Unome » January 21st, 2021, 6:42 am

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:
January 18th, 2021, 2:23 pm
For comparison, the largest B regional in a typical year was Southeast. In 2019 and 2020, they had 23 teams. This year, the regionals are 27 and 25 teams, respectively. How does this make any sense in a year like this?

Typically I am in pretty solid lockstep with PASO, but I could not disagree more with how regionals are being run this year. It was a perfect year to give extra recognition to the teams that are sticking it out to compete. Artificially making the regionals larger than they need to be does not accomplish anything tangible, and only hurts the mid/low-tier teams. My only hope is that once we return to a conventional climate, we will return to the old system, which was pretty balanced and one of the best regional arrangements I have seen in the nation.

If there's some major factor I'm overlooking, I would love to hear it.
The major factor is probably acquiring as many event supervisors, or just people in general to administer the tests in the case of PA. We're seeing that a bit in GA.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2021

Post by EastStroudsburg13 » January 21st, 2021, 7:01 am

Unome wrote:
January 21st, 2021, 6:42 am
EastStroudsburg13 wrote:
January 18th, 2021, 2:23 pm
For comparison, the largest B regional in a typical year was Southeast. In 2019 and 2020, they had 23 teams. This year, the regionals are 27 and 25 teams, respectively. How does this make any sense in a year like this?

Typically I am in pretty solid lockstep with PASO, but I could not disagree more with how regionals are being run this year. It was a perfect year to give extra recognition to the teams that are sticking it out to compete. Artificially making the regionals larger than they need to be does not accomplish anything tangible, and only hurts the mid/low-tier teams. My only hope is that once we return to a conventional climate, we will return to the old system, which was pretty balanced and one of the best regional arrangements I have seen in the nation.

If there's some major factor I'm overlooking, I would love to hear it.
The major factor is probably acquiring as many event supervisors, or just people in general to administer the tests in the case of PA. We're seeing that a bit in GA.
Wouldn't having the tournaments all be simultaneous, virtual, and using the same tests reduce the demand for supervisors/judges? I guess I am not completely familiar with the administration of tournaments on Scilympiad.
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