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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby xandra » January 14th, 2019, 7:56 pm

Unome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:according to people, harriton is "weaker" this year...

..."weaker" still meaning they're gonna dominate PA states, probably

smh why do all these big teams say that they're "weak" yet go to nats anyways (looking at you ssa div b kids)

on another note congrats to shady side at cmu, and cumberland valley for seeming to do p well (to me at least) at conestoga!

The reason people say Harriton is weaker this year is primarily because they finished 11th at MIT (for comparison, Bayard Rustin was 12th). That said, they bombed several events so they're probably still substantially ahead of everyone else. We'll see how future invitationals go.


I've heard that Harriton had a strong senior class of builders last year... Though, by looking at previous years' Nationals placings, it seems that they've never been consistent with build events.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby lavarball » January 15th, 2019, 4:18 am

Could anybody get specific build scores from mit and cmu?
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 15th, 2019, 7:09 am

Anomaly wrote:
Unome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:according to people, harriton is "weaker" this year...

..."weaker" still meaning they're gonna dominate PA states, probably

smh why do all these big teams say that they're "weak" yet go to nats anyways (looking at you ssa div b kids)

on another note congrats to shady side at cmu, and cumberland valley for seeming to do p well (to me at least) at conestoga!

The reason people say Harriton is weaker this year is primarily because they finished 11th at MIT (for comparison, Bayard Rustin was 12th). That said, they bombed several events so they're probably still substantially ahead of everyone else. We'll see how future invitationals go.

im also talking about how people from their own team are saying that they're weaker this year, lowkey kinda makes me mad cause like their "weaker" is literally what a team like mine could only achieve in their dreams.


Anomaly I feel like people may say that about their teams because they personally do feel that way. Also, every team has different standards because of the experience they have, so someone calling a team weaker relative to the same team in a previous year, in my opinion, is warranted regardless of how well they perform in the end.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 17th, 2019, 3:24 pm

Here's the stacked BVF results (I've had this, just forgot to post, lol):

  1. WWP South - 121
  2. Lower Merion - 147
  3. Conestoga - 173
  4. Cumberland Valley - 209
  5. Princeton - 213
  6. Great Neck South - 246
  7. North Pocono - 267
  8. Northwestern Lehigh - 363
  9. North Penn - 373
  10. Harriton - 380
  11. Division Avenue - 392
  12. Strath Haven - 416
  13. Perkiomen Valley - 418
  14. Red Land - 436
  15. Shipley - 440
  16. Central York - 445
  17. Manheim Central - 474
  18. West Chester East - 506
  19. Allentown Central Catholic - 520
  20. Haverford - 534
  21. Downingtown STEM - 559
  22. Devon Prep - 593
  23. Cedar Cliff - 632
  24. Conrad School of Science - 637
  25. Tappan Zee - 663
  26. Lehighton - 782
  27. Springfield - 808

My thoughts on this:
  • Cumberland Valley is still an big stretch to make nationals, but they're a pretty decent threat to break the top 5 bloc. We have yet to see Penncrest and Rustin against most of these teams, so SOUP will tell us a lot about the potential state pecking order.
  • North Pocono and Northwestern are usually close, so it's possible that either North Pocono is a bit stronger this year or Northwestern got a bit weaker. I'm inclined to believe some of both, but more the former.
  • The race for the final SEPA states places is going to be hot. North Penn, Perkiomen Valley, and Shipley were expected to be contenders, but Strath Haven was right up there with them. West Chester East, Haverford, and Downingtown STEM are still lurking behind, and we haven't seen Garnet Valley or Upper Dublin yet. SOUP and Princeton will tell us a bit more, but this could be a close battle all the way until regionals.
  • I also would have expected PV to be much higher than they were, so it's possible this year is a rebuilding year for them. Not great timing coupled with a move to SEPA, as they could be in danger of missing states altogether. I still expect them to pull through, but it's no longer a sure thing.
  • The rest of the PA teams filled out about as expected. Red Land, Central York, and Manheim Central seem on course to return to states, and Allentown Central Catholic is a perennial CEPA qualifier. The fact that they are placed around the bubble teams in SEPA show how strong that region really is.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Anomaly » January 17th, 2019, 3:36 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:Here's the stacked BVF results (I've had this, just forgot to post, lol):

  1. WWP South - 121
  2. Lower Merion - 147
  3. Conestoga - 173
  4. Cumberland Valley - 209
  5. Princeton - 213
  6. Great Neck South - 246
  7. North Pocono - 267
  8. Northwestern Lehigh - 363
  9. North Penn - 373
  10. Harriton - 380
  11. Division Avenue - 392
  12. Strath Haven - 416
  13. Perkiomen Valley - 418
  14. Red Land - 436
  15. Shipley - 440
  16. Central York - 445
  17. Manheim Central - 474
  18. West Chester East - 506
  19. Allentown Central Catholic - 520
  20. Haverford - 534
  21. Downingtown STEM - 559
  22. Devon Prep - 593
  23. Cedar Cliff - 632
  24. Conrad School of Science - 637
  25. Tappan Zee - 663
  26. Lehighton - 782
  27. Springfield - 808

huh i didn't realize until now that central catholic was at BVF... now wondering if the score if we would be successful in our goal of beating them at regionals :P
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 21st, 2019, 1:02 pm

Well, based on the most recent team numbers, looks like Perkiomen Valley is back in Central East. Not sure exactly the reasons behind the switch back, just that they're listed and they got added onto the end of the team numbers.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby klastyioer » January 24th, 2019, 3:51 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:Here's the stacked BVF results (I've had this, just forgot to post, lol):

  1. WWP South - 121
  2. Lower Merion - 147
  3. Conestoga - 173
  4. Cumberland Valley - 209
  5. Princeton - 213
  6. Great Neck South - 246
  7. North Pocono - 267
  8. Northwestern Lehigh - 363
  9. North Penn - 373
  10. Harriton - 380
  11. Division Avenue - 392
  12. Strath Haven - 416
  13. Perkiomen Valley - 418
  14. Red Land - 436
  15. Shipley - 440
  16. Central York - 445
  17. Manheim Central - 474
  18. West Chester East - 506
  19. Allentown Central Catholic - 520
  20. Haverford - 534
  21. Downingtown STEM - 559
  22. Devon Prep - 593
  23. Cedar Cliff - 632
  24. Conrad School of Science - 637
  25. Tappan Zee - 663
  26. Lehighton - 782
  27. Springfield - 808

My thoughts on this:
  • Cumberland Valley is still an big stretch to make nationals, but they're a pretty decent threat to break the top 5 bloc. We have yet to see Penncrest and Rustin against most of these teams, so SOUP will tell us a lot about the potential state pecking order.
  • North Pocono and Northwestern are usually close, so it's possible that either North Pocono is a bit stronger this year or Northwestern got a bit weaker. I'm inclined to believe some of both, but more the former.
  • The race for the final SEPA states places is going to be hot. North Penn, Perkiomen Valley, and Shipley were expected to be contenders, but Strath Haven was right up there with them. West Chester East, Haverford, and Downingtown STEM are still lurking behind, and we haven't seen Garnet Valley or Upper Dublin yet. SOUP and Princeton will tell us a bit more, but this could be a close battle all the way until regionals.
  • I also would have expected PV to be much higher than they were, so it's possible this year is a rebuilding year for them. Not great timing coupled with a move to SEPA, as they could be in danger of missing states altogether. I still expect them to pull through, but it's no longer a sure thing.
  • The rest of the PA teams filled out about as expected. Red Land, Central York, and Manheim Central seem on course to return to states, and Allentown Central Catholic is a perennial CEPA qualifier. The fact that they are placed around the bubble teams in SEPA show how strong that region really is.


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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 28th, 2019, 7:00 am

Results from North Pocono (the initial results I got had an alleged error in Fermi scoring, these are the corrected results):

Full Results
  1. Bayard Rustin Blue - 69
  2. Penncrest - 92
  3. Northwestern Lehigh A - 161
  4. North Penn 2 - 167
  5. North Penn 1 - 229
  6. Allentown Central Catholic Green - 238
  7. Stroudsburg White - 278
  8. East Stroudsburg South - 281
  9. Wallenpaupack - 288
  10. Ithaca - 306
  11. Bayard Rustin Gold - 320
  12. Wyoming Area Gold - 327
  13. Scranton Prep - 345
  14. Lehighton - 359
  15. Wyoming Area Green - 367
  16. Ramapo A - 387
  17. Pocono Mountain East - 418
  18. Holy Redeemer - 425
  19. Allentown Central Catholic Gold - 429
  20. Ramapo B - 442
  21. Emmaus - 454
  22. Northwestern Lehigh B - 456
  23. Athens Area Black - 466
  24. Perkiomen School - 483
  25. Al-Noor A - 490
  26. Stroudsburg Maroon - 492
  27. Abington Heights - 496
  28. Athens Area Silver - 509
  29. Al-Noor B - 548
  30. Bayard Rustin White - 569
  31. Sugar Valley Rural - 613


And here are the scores after manual stacking:

Manual Stacking Results
  1. Bayard Rustin - 59
  2. Penncrest - 92
  3. North Penn - 134
  4. Northwestern Lehigh - 159
  5. Allentown Central Catholic - 223
  6. Stroudsburg - 247
  7. Wyoming Area - 252
  8. East Stroudsburg South - 281
  9. Wallenpaupack - 288
  10. Ithaca - 306
  11. Ramapo - 309
  12. Scranton Prep - 345
  13. Lehighton - 359
  14. Athens Area - 385
  15. Pocono Mountain East - 418
  16. Holy Redeemer - 425
  17. Al-Noor - 435
  18. Emmaus - 454
  19. Perkiomen School - 483
  20. Abington Heights - 496
  21. Sugar Valley Rural - 613


Again, some observations:
  • The SEPA teams placed about as expected. Penncrest seems clear enough of North Penn to get at least 5th, but may not be quite strong enough to challenge the top 4.
  • As at Conestoga, North Penn placed above Northwestern Lehigh when stacking. I see this as a case of the former improving and the latter sliding a bit. Both appear to be on the bubble for the back end of the state top 10.
  • Hard to judge the top of the NEPA teams, as North Pocono scores were removed and Abington Heights had a reserve team. It does appear as though Stroudsburg is a step behind where they were last year, so the regional title may be a two-team race this year, with Stroudsburg and Wyoming Area competing for third.
  • With the NEPA bubble race taking shape, it seems that Scranton Prep, Lehighton, and Athens are currently behind East Stroudsburg South. With Dallas' strength still unknown, this year's bubble could end up being ES South, Wallenpaupack, and Dallas competing for two spots. The other three mentioned likely have work to do.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby eddpmett » January 28th, 2019, 5:02 pm

since gv was on saturday, any changes in predictions/early predictions/things to comment on?
idk what to put here so i'll just type something cringey random!

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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 28th, 2019, 5:26 pm

eddpmett wrote:since gv was on saturday, any changes in predictions/early predictions/things to comment on?


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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby waffletree » January 28th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Paypog wrote:
eddpmett wrote:since gv was on saturday, any changes in predictions/early predictions/things to comment on?


Bala and Harlan are OP

hehe thanks.
we did a lot better than last year
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Anomaly » January 28th, 2019, 5:37 pm

waffletree wrote:
Paypog wrote:
eddpmett wrote:since gv was on saturday, any changes in predictions/early predictions/things to comment on?


Bala and Harlan are OP

hehe thanks.
we did a lot better than last year

"Bala and Harlan are OP"...
...what about Springhouse?
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 28th, 2019, 5:39 pm

Anomaly wrote:
waffletree wrote:
Paypog wrote:
Bala and Harlan are OP

hehe thanks.
we did a lot better than last year

"Bala and Harlan are OP"...
...what about Springhouse?

Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby sciolyperson1 » January 28th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Paypog wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
waffletree wrote:hehe thanks.
we did a lot better than last year

"Bala and Harlan are OP"...
...what about Springhouse?

Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)


After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 28th, 2019, 5:47 pm

sciolyperson1 wrote:
Paypog wrote:
Anomaly wrote:"Bala and Harlan are OP"...
...what about Springhouse?

Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)


After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.


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