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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Anomaly » January 28th, 2019, 5:48 pm

sciolyperson1 wrote:
Paypog wrote:
Anomaly wrote:"Bala and Harlan are OP"...
...what about Springhouse?

Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)


After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.

That could very well be the case if either of those teams improve enough.
(also isn't bala not going to cornell?)
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby sciolyperson1 » January 28th, 2019, 5:49 pm

Anomaly wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:
Paypog wrote:Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)


After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.

That could very well be the case if either of those teams improve enough.
(also isn't bala not going to cornell?)


Yep, Bala isn't going to Cornell, but Harlan Rowe, Springhouse, and SSA are.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby waffletree » January 28th, 2019, 5:49 pm

Anomaly wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:
Paypog wrote:Who? (let's see how long this will stay up till East removes it)


After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.

That could very well be the case if either of those teams improve enough.
(also isn't bala not going to cornell?)

we arent, but ssa can finally be compared to springhouse and harlan rowe who can be compared to us
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 28th, 2019, 5:51 pm

sciolyperson1 wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:
After Springhouse's "weak"ish performance at both Rustin (3rd and 22nd) and Garnet (2nd and 10th), its safe to say that they're a fair bit worse than last year. I wouldn't be surprised if Springhouse lost to SSA at states, or if Bala or Harlan made it to nats. Bala performed exceptionally well at Garnet (4th), with Harlan Rowe right behind them (just a 20 point difference). Cornell Invitational should be a good indicator on the four teams' performances.

That could very well be the case if either of those teams improve enough.
(also isn't bala not going to cornell?)


Yep, Bala isn't going to Cornell, but Harlan Rowe, Springhouse, and SSA are.


Yeah I agree that this will be a great indicator for how all of the teams are doing. Also, SSA still hasn't gone to an invitational so nobody really knows how they are doing. Hopefully Solon and Cornell can provide some information on how the team is doing.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby sciolyperson1 » January 28th, 2019, 5:54 pm

Paypog wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:
Anomaly wrote:That could very well be the case if either of those teams improve enough.
(also isn't bala not going to cornell?)


Yep, Bala isn't going to Cornell, but Harlan Rowe, Springhouse, and SSA are.


Yeah I agree that this will be a great indicator for how all of the teams are doing. Also, SSA still hasn't gone to an invitational so nobody really knows how they are doing. Hopefully Solon and Cornell can provide some information on how the team is doing.


In addition to comparing teams to Solon, Beckendorff is a great indicator on how well they're doing. After their "downfall" at nats last year, their team seems stronger than ever, placing extremely well at UTA.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Paypog » January 28th, 2019, 6:01 pm

sciolyperson1 wrote:
Paypog wrote:
sciolyperson1 wrote:
Yep, Bala isn't going to Cornell, but Harlan Rowe, Springhouse, and SSA are.


Yeah I agree that this will be a great indicator for how all of the teams are doing. Also, SSA still hasn't gone to an invitational so nobody really knows how they are doing. Hopefully Solon and Cornell can provide some information on how the team is doing.


In addition to comparing teams to Solon, Beckendorff is a great indicator on how well they're doing. After their "downfall" at nats last year, their team seems stronger than ever, placing extremely well at UTA.


Oh I meant Solon invitational..
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby waffletree » January 28th, 2019, 6:58 pm

also feels like springhouse is dropping a bit compared to like last year cuz last year they beat community at gv by like 20 points and last year both of springhouse's teams beat bala by >100 points and like 70 points (rip)
this year however, community beat springhouse by like 60, and the gap between bala or harlan rowe and springhouse is closing up.
but cornell will be the first opportunity to get a real view on the all the top pa teams.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby dxu46 » January 28th, 2019, 8:31 pm

1. SSA
2. BC
3. SMS
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby waffletree » January 29th, 2019, 9:31 am

dxu46 wrote:1. SSA
2. BC
3. SMS

lol thanks for your hope in bc
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby Anomaly » January 29th, 2019, 9:51 am

waffletree wrote:
dxu46 wrote:1. SSA
2. BC
3. SMS

lol thanks for your hope in bc

heh that's been dxu's motto since last year
lets see if it actually comes true this year
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby kate! » January 29th, 2019, 11:46 am

Anomaly wrote:
waffletree wrote:
dxu46 wrote:1. SSA
2. BC
3. SMS

lol thanks for your hope in bc

heh that's been dxu's motto since last year
lets see if it actually comes true this year

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tbh springhouse has the potential to be overtaken based on their frankly mediocre performance this year compared to others? but we haven't seen ssa compete yet, so after cornell we'll see what happens
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » January 29th, 2019, 12:49 pm

4. Strath Haven?

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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby kate! » January 29th, 2019, 1:00 pm

UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:4. Strath Haven?

4 is a tie between Orefield and Strath Haven.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » January 29th, 2019, 4:04 pm

As a way to compare results, I normalized both the results from Rustin and Garnet Valley, for PA teams who were scored at both, to a 36-team tournament (since states is 36 teams). Then I averaged the two scores together for each team. Here are those scores ranked:

  1. Springhouse - 103
  2. Bala Cynwyd - 156
  3. Harlan Rowe - 168
  4. Strath Haven - 233
  5. Eagle View - 273
  6. Abington Heights - 313
  7. Stetson - 330
  8. Good Hope - 337
  9. Orefield - 444
  10. Haverford - 501
  11. Kutztown - 503
  12. Wyoming Seminary - 560
  13. JR Fugett - 563
  14. Devon Prep - 570
  15. Northley - 668

Now, this is clearly missing the teams from the western part of the state. But to me this looks pretty realistic (with perhaps scores slightly higher).
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Re: Pennsylvania 2019

Postby builderguy135 » January 29th, 2019, 4:15 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:As a way to compare results, I normalized both the results from Rustin and Garnet Valley, for PA teams who were scored at both, to a 36-team tournament (since states is 36 teams). Then I averaged the two scores together for each team. Here are those scores ranked:

  1. Springhouse - 103
  2. Bala Cynwyd - 156
  3. Harlan Rowe - 168
  4. Strath Haven - 233
  5. Eagle View - 273
  6. Abington Heights - 313
  7. Stetson - 330
  8. Good Hope - 337
  9. Orefield - 444
  10. Haverford - 501
  11. Kutztown - 503
  12. Wyoming Seminary - 560
  13. JR Fugett - 563
  14. Devon Prep - 570
  15. Northley - 668

Now, this is clearly missing the teams from the western part of the state. But to me this looks pretty realistic (with perhaps scores slightly higher).


Is there any accurate way to do this to rank all the nationals teams?
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