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Re: New York 2019

Postby EastStroudsburg13 » December 25th, 2018, 4:02 pm

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DrDaveV wrote:I am the coach of a 2nd team and am trying to find out what the policies are for qualifying for States in NY for Division C. From what I understand it depends on the mumber of teams/schools in the region and how many rimes the top qualifiers have advanced over the previous years. There does not seem to be a clear, easy to find policy anywhere that I can find. Does it depend on the Region or is the policy set by the state?


Each region is set by the State, and within the regions, all the teams compete in one tournament known as Regionals. The top 6(?) teams from each Region after Regionals will go to the State competition. It has nothing to do with how many times other teams have qualified for states. It is solely based on placement at Regionals.

I do know the number of teams that qualifies from each NY regional varies based on the number of teams/schools competing in that regional. Exactly how that calculation is done there, I am not sure.
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Re: New York 2019

Postby syo_astro » December 25th, 2018, 5:15 pm

EastStroudsburg13 wrote:Interesting the relative lack of New York posters. I remember NY used to be one of the most active threads several years ago. Hopefully we can get some new
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Shhh, don't go reviving threads like that, bad form:P. This reminds me of past posters that would try to ask for conversation without suggesting much to actually discuss:/ or alternatively asking what to do about problems we can't fix here...anyway.

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IvanGe wrote:
DrDaveV wrote:I am the coach of a 2nd team and am trying to find out what the policies are for qualifying for States in NY for Division C. From what I understand it depends on the mumber of teams/schools in the region and how many rimes the top qualifiers have advanced over the previous years. There does not seem to be a clear, easy to find policy anywhere that I can find. Does it depend on the Region or is the policy set by the state?


Each region is set by the State, and within the regions, all the teams compete in one tournament known as Regionals. The top 6(?) teams from each Region after Regionals will go to the State competition. It has nothing to do with how many times other teams have qualified for states. It is solely based on placement at Regionals.

I do know the number of teams that qualifies from each NY regional varies based on the number of teams/schools competing in that regional. Exactly how that calculation is done there, I am not sure.


First and foremost what do you mean "2nd team"? Like a Team B from a school that's also sending a Team A to regionals? If a single school in NYS sends two teams to regionals, only one can advance to States (there are other related rules to this, like http://www.newyorkscioly.org/wp-content ... -09-09.pdf or http://www.newyorkscioly.org/wp-content ... -09-09.pdf). Of course, can switch students between teams, have extras, etc...but only a single team's worth of people from the school can actually compete.

Now my speculation:
There is indeed a formula, but I forget if it depends on the State (I imagine the State has to at least approve it). I thought it was something like (total number of teams)/10 + 1. That way a regional of 50 teams should get the top 6 schools advancing to States. It might scale differently for smaller regionals, though, because I'm not sure if 10 team regionals pass only 2 teams to states...I've heard of stranger things, though. There should be numerous ways to double check knowing your region. The most obvious way I can think of is to ask your regional director (if they are responsive...), maybe another coach (if there are any responsive ones...), or checking posts from past years. Other tougher examples include getting last year's results from the State website, regionals results from Regional or State directors, or results from someone who competed last year. Another (probably much more convoluted) way might be checking who went to states last year from a given region and then checking the schedule from last year to see how many went to states.

There might be a clause somewhere that if the top team or something qualifies n number of years in a row an extra team might get added, but I haven't looked into that recently / can't confirm / thought that was an outdated ruling anyway. I think another usually more important factor is how many regionals/total teams there are in a given state, which affects how much space is available/appropriate for all the teams competing (not sure on exact formulas/numbers with that).
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Re: New York 2019

Postby DrDaveV » December 25th, 2018, 5:34 pm

First and foremost what do you mean "2nd team"


That should have bee "2nd year team". That is, this is the second year our school has a team.

I was an assistant at a middle school many years ago. Back then they sent the top two from our division but if the one team qualified several years in a row they would send a third.

Our Region has less than 20 teams and we sent 2 last year. I see that some regions send as many as 6. I was just curious why that particular rule is not posted with all the other policies on the NY State website. The # of teams/10+1 makes sense. Seems a bit secretive though.

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Re: New York 2019

Postby Unome » December 25th, 2018, 8:18 pm

DrDaveV wrote:I am the coach of a 2nd team and am trying to find out what the policies are for qualifying for States in NY for Division C. From what I understand it depends on the mumber of teams/schools in the region and how many rimes the top qualifiers have advanced over the previous years. There does not seem to be a clear, easy to find policy anywhere that I can find. Does it depend on the Region or is the policy set by the state?

The above post is a little inaccurate. Currently, the number of qualifying schools depends only on the number of teams (or possibly number of schools, not sure) at the regional, relative to the number of teams in NY. The rule that took into account repeat qualifiers was removed a few years back.
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Re: New York 2019

Postby Flavorflav » December 29th, 2018, 11:52 am

Unome wrote:
DrDaveV wrote:I am the coach of a 2nd team and am trying to find out what the policies are for qualifying for States in NY for Division C. From what I understand it depends on the mumber of teams/schools in the region and how many rimes the top qualifiers have advanced over the previous years. There does not seem to be a clear, easy to find policy anywhere that I can find. Does it depend on the Region or is the policy set by the state?

The above post is a little inaccurate. Currently, the number of qualifying schools depends only on the number of teams (or possibly number of schools, not sure) at the regional, relative to the number of teams in NY. The rule that took into account repeat qualifiers was removed a few years back.

The formula is # of teams/10, rounded up. As Unome said, until recently a bonus team was awarded if either the 1st or 2nd place team was also 1st or 2nd the year before (or possibly two years before?), but they have done away with bonus teams. Bro. Nigel from Kellenberg compiled a beautiful spreadsheet tracking the entire history of the State tournament, but sadly it was taken down when they put up the new website many years ago and never put back up.

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Re: New York 2019

Postby syo_astro » December 29th, 2018, 1:55 pm

Flavorflav wrote:The formula is # of teams/10, rounded up. As Unome said, until recently a bonus team was awarded if either the 1st or 2nd place team was also 1st or 2nd the year before (or possibly two years before?), but they have done away with bonus teams. Bro. Nigel from Kellenberg compiled a beautiful spreadsheet tracking the entire history of the State tournament, but sadly it was taken down when they put up the new website many years ago and never put back up.


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Re: New York 2019

Postby kate! » December 29th, 2018, 5:34 pm

syo_astro wrote:
Flavorflav wrote:The formula is # of teams/10, rounded up. As Unome said, until recently a bonus team was awarded if either the 1st or 2nd place team was also 1st or 2nd the year before (or possibly two years before?), but they have done away with bonus teams. Bro. Nigel from Kellenberg compiled a beautiful spreadsheet tracking the entire history of the State tournament, but sadly it was taken down when they put up the new website many years ago and never put back up.


Thanks Flavorflav!

I believe I or someone else asked him for the file (I honestly forget...not sure who even uploaded it, maybe an admin?) and thankfully put it up on the wiki https://scioly.org/wiki/index.php/New_Y ... te_Results. Not fully up to date now, but it does go way back. Recent years were posted separately as well.

They also put a document on the new website of all the past state results like we have in the chart above that section; it had some older results (who went to nats and such from like the 1980s) that we didn't have before.
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Re: New York 2019

Postby kate! » January 26th, 2019, 3:48 pm

Eastern Long Island C Regionals Results:
(Bolded teams will be attending states.)
1. Ward Melville A (31)
2. Half Hollow Hills East A (144)
3. Commack A (154)
4. Earl L. Vandermeulen/Port Jeff A (163)
5. Ward Melville B (179)
6. Hauppage A (194)
7. Islip A (195)

Congratulations to Ward Melville for setting a record of the lowest score ever in the history of the regional!

(Results for other regionals that happened today will be posted when they are updated on Ezra.)
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Re: New York 2019

Postby syo_astro » January 26th, 2019, 6:18 pm

kate! wrote:Eastern Long Island C Regionals Results:
1. Ward Melville A (31)
2. Half Hollow Hills East A (144)
3. Commack A (154)
4. Earl L. Vandermeulen/Port Jeff A (163)
5. Ward Melville B (179)

Congratulations to Ward Melville for setting a record of the lowest score ever in the history of the regional!

(Results for other regionals that happened today will be posted when they are updated on Ezra.)


Props to Ward as usual....Did Islip not make it? :O
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Re: New York 2019

Postby kate! » January 26th, 2019, 6:22 pm

Mid-State C Regionals Results:
1. Fayetteville-Manlius A (40)
2. Jamesville-Dewitt A (107)
3. Clinton A (138)
4. Cicero North Syracuse (154)
5. Camden A (197)
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Re: New York 2019

Postby kate! » January 26th, 2019, 6:24 pm

syo_astro wrote:
kate! wrote:Eastern Long Island C Regionals Results:
1. Ward Melville A (31)
2. Half Hollow Hills East A (144)
3. Commack A (154)
4. Earl L. Vandermeulen/Port Jeff A (163)
5. Ward Melville B (179)

Congratulations to Ward Melville for setting a record of the lowest score ever in the history of the regional!

(Results for other regionals that happened today will be posted when they are updated on Ezra.)


Props to Ward as usual....Did Islip not make it? :O

Well, Hauppage got 6th after Ward B so they must have made it. Hauppage beat Islip by 1 point and I'm not quite sure how many teams are allowed to go to states, so maybe, maybe not. I just did top 5 because most people who post results of stuff do that?
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Re: New York 2019

Postby syo_astro » January 26th, 2019, 7:55 pm

kate! wrote:Well, Hauppage got 6th after Ward B so they must have made it. Hauppage beat Islip by 1 point and I'm not quite sure how many teams are allowed to go to states, so maybe, maybe not. I just did top 5 because most people who post results of stuff do that?


Yeah, fair, just personally curious / surprised. It really depends who posts, but sometimes people also post who's going to states (which obvs if you're not sure nbd). I would've figured ELI also had enough to send 6, but no guarantee of that true.
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Re: New York 2019

Postby Flavorflav » January 27th, 2019, 6:58 am

ELI got six, the sixth being Hauppauge. Islip did not make it.

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Re: New York 2019

Postby islipscioly » January 27th, 2019, 8:05 am

The top six schools make it to states. Since Ward Melville had two teams in the top five, the B team does not go. Islip is the last team from ELI that will represent the region at states.

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Re: New York 2019

Postby kate! » January 27th, 2019, 8:14 am

islipscioly wrote:The top six schools make it to states. Since Ward Melville had two teams in the top five, the B team does not go. Islip is the last team from ELI that will represent the region at states.

Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification! I'll update that in my results post.
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