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This year has no doubt resulted in fewer teams participating. I am unaware of the status down with Champaign teams, but I'd imagine most teams (especially rural or less competitive teams) are in a similar unfortunate situation. That being said, of the teams that participated at Palatine last season, roughly 25/34 of schools returned. Note that this sample applies more towards greater suburban Chicago. Depending on how this situation goes (positively or negatively), this percentage is subject to change.

I'm not sure why ISO might increase the total number of bids, but what probably might happen is they will redistribute bids across regionals (as they do every season). Another decision ISO might make is to reduce the total number of state teams, which would probably only happen if there was a significant number of teams not participating. But, it's up to ISO's decision at the end of the day.

With less than 90 days until regionals (and less than 125 days til state), I doubt most teams would be able to "bounce-back" as it also relies on their school districts. Once some form of herd immunity is achieved, I think most schools at that point would prioritize reacclimating academics back to a more IRL environment before doing the same for extracurriculars. But I'd imagine this would take some months ...

Regarding the whole situation, while there will always be teams that can't afford to do Scioly for a season due to the predicament we are in, I find it fortunate that some students at least get some opportunity with the systems SOInc put in place. This year basically nullified the idea of having in-person tournaments for a vast majority of schools, so the fact that SOInc salvaged what they could from this season is impressive, in my opinion. I'm definitely hoping that 2021 offers more opportunities for teams to return with hopefully being in-person by then, but to that, I'll knock on wood ...
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Nydauron wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:39 pm Regarding the whole situation, while there will always be teams that can't afford to do Scioly for a season due to the predicament we are in, I find it fortunate that some students at least get some opportunity with the systems SOInc put in place. This year basically nullified the idea of having in-person tournaments for a vast majority of schools, so the fact that SOInc salvaged what they could from this season is impressive, in my opinion. I'm definitely hoping that 2021 offers more opportunities for teams to return with hopefully being in-person by then, but to that, I'll knock on wood ...
The fact that everything is remote this year also means that teams that did manage to participate have been able to "attend" competitions they wouldn't be able to afford to travel to. Every cloud...
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sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 12:21 pm Trends from other states are showing about 20-30% participation rate compared to past years.
Is this figure just for GA, or an average across all states? I've seen 115 PA C teams registered, compared to the typical ~200 or so, which is around 60%. pb5754 and I also counted 31 NJ C teams that registered for invies (NJ registration hasn't started, so that's the only figure that's available), compared to the ~70 we have on a typical year, totaling at over 40% without main NJ registration.
Hm I had heard smaller numbers for NJ, and I didn't know those PA numbers. Although now that I calculate more carefully, the GA numbers are actually about 40% C and 15% B (I don't know why it's so tilted). There are a lot of schools who registered and don't seem to have paid, relative to past years.
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Nydauron wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:39 pm I'm not sure why ISO might increase the total number of bids, but what probably might happen is they will redistribute bids across regionals (as they do every season). Another decision ISO might make is to reduce the total number of state teams, which would probably only happen if there was a significant number of teams not participating. But, it's up to ISO's decision at the end of the day.
Oh i was just thinking because if it’s online they don’t have to deal with the problem of accommodating teams with rooms and all of that at state and could use that as an opportunity to invite more teams. For some reason I thought that there was another state that was doing this but now that I think about it I’m probably mistaken. And the number of bids going down makes a lot more sense the more I think about it. I guess we’ll just have to see what ISO decides.
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Booknerd wrote: December 7th, 2020, 11:14 pm I've been hearing some rumors that there are teams who have historically competed in our region for many years that are not competing this year or haven't started up yet for this year's season. Not sure how it is with other regions in the state, although I would think there would be similar patterns. I don't want to be much of a pessimist, but I think that the team count could go down this year by even as much as a third :( although now that i think about it a third is kind of pushing it...
How many teams are normally at the CPS regional? I forgot.
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Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 7:22 pm
sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:17 pm
Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 12:21 pm Trends from other states are showing about 20-30% participation rate compared to past years.
Is this figure just for GA, or an average across all states? I've seen 115 PA C teams registered, compared to the typical ~200 or so, which is around 60%. pb5754 and I also counted 31 NJ C teams that registered for invies (NJ registration hasn't started, so that's the only figure that's available), compared to the ~70 we have on a typical year, totaling at over 40% without main NJ registration.
Hm I had heard smaller numbers for NJ, and I didn't know those PA numbers. Although now that I calculate more carefully, the GA numbers are actually about 40% C and 15% B (I don't know why it's so tilted). There are a lot of schools who registered and don't seem to have paid, relative to past years.
I don't believe any figures for NJ are out yet, the 31 div C NJ teams figure came from compiling teams that registered for invitationals.
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sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:18 pm
Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 7:22 pm
sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:17 pm

Is this figure just for GA, or an average across all states? I've seen 115 PA C teams registered, compared to the typical ~200 or so, which is around 60%. pb5754 and I also counted 31 NJ C teams that registered for invies (NJ registration hasn't started, so that's the only figure that's available), compared to the ~70 we have on a typical year, totaling at over 40% without main NJ registration.
Hm I had heard smaller numbers for NJ, and I didn't know those PA numbers. Although now that I calculate more carefully, the GA numbers are actually about 40% C and 15% B (I don't know why it's so tilted). There are a lot of schools who registered and don't seem to have paid, relative to past years.
I don't believe any figures for NJ are out yet, the 31 div C NJ teams figure came from compiling teams that registered for invitationals.
There are a good amount of NJ teams that compete at regionals and states but don't go to invitationals
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CookiePie1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:38 pm
sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:18 pm
Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 7:22 pm

Hm I had heard smaller numbers for NJ, and I didn't know those PA numbers. Although now that I calculate more carefully, the GA numbers are actually about 40% C and 15% B (I don't know why it's so tilted). There are a lot of schools who registered and don't seem to have paid, relative to past years.
I don't believe any figures for NJ are out yet, the 31 div C NJ teams figure came from compiling teams that registered for invitationals.
There are a good amount of NJ teams that compete at regionals and states but don't go to invitationals
Yes. What I'm saying is that there's likely going to be far more than 31 teams, perhaps into the 70s or even more than previous years due to the team cap of 1 per school.
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Re: Illinois 2021

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sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 10:03 pm
CookiePie1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:38 pm
sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:18 pm

I don't believe any figures for NJ are out yet, the 31 div C NJ teams figure came from compiling teams that registered for invitationals.
There are a good amount of NJ teams that compete at regionals and states but don't go to invitationals
Yes. What I'm saying is that there's likely going to be far more than 31 teams, perhaps into the 70s or even more than previous years due to the team cap of 1 per school.
Ah, that's true - I forgot about how low on tournament space at regionals NJ usually is. It's possible that there will be quite a lot of teams.
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sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 8:18 pm
Unome wrote: December 8th, 2020, 7:22 pm
sciolyperson1 wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:17 pm

Is this figure just for GA, or an average across all states? I've seen 115 PA C teams registered, compared to the typical ~200 or so, which is around 60%. pb5754 and I also counted 31 NJ C teams that registered for invies (NJ registration hasn't started, so that's the only figure that's available), compared to the ~70 we have on a typical year, totaling at over 40% without main NJ registration.
Hm I had heard smaller numbers for NJ, and I didn't know those PA numbers. Although now that I calculate more carefully, the GA numbers are actually about 40% C and 15% B (I don't know why it's so tilted). There are a lot of schools who registered and don't seem to have paid, relative to past years.
I don't believe any figures for NJ are out yet, the 31 div C NJ teams figure came from compiling teams that registered for invitationals.
Notably, this does not include teams that registered for PUSO, the only invitational in NJ, and no other invitationals, as PUSO has yet to publicly release a team list.
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