Way Too Early Predictions

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby 4Head » February 11th, 2019, 7:20 am

Unome wrote:
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Crimesolver wrote:Oh welp, didn’t know that until now. Do they like stash away Team A until nationals or something?

Their regionals didn’t allow them to send a team elsewhere so their better team might have competed

Could have been either. In 2017 their B team won regionals with 70-something points, while this year I think they were somewhere in the 60s.

that's plausible considering they didn't win a lot of events
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Rossyspsce » February 11th, 2019, 11:02 am

Kyanite wrote:
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Unome wrote:1. Troy
2. Solon (pending future results, might move them up)
3. Mounds View (pay attention)
4. Mason/Centerville (even odds on either in my opinion)
5. Acton-Boxborough
6. Harriton
7. Clements (2 places lower if Seven Lakes, 4 places lower if LASA)
8. Mira Loma
9. Boca Raton
10. Columbia
11. WW-P North
12. Enloe
13. Northville (seems similar strength as last year)
14. Camas
15. Stevenson
16. Grand Haven (9th-16th was really close for me)
17. Ward Melville
18. Bayard Rustin/Lower Merion (best bets on these two)
19. New Trier
20. Clark (hype)
21. Madison West (Hamilton is getting strong)
22. Pembroke Hill
23. Carmel
24. Chattahoochee
25. Brookwood


Placing Camas at 14th is interesting, due to the bombs they've had at the two invitationals they've had so far. Also, they got second to Bothell, who went to nationals as of 2016. Inglemoor also seems a strong competitor in the state of Washington. Not sure how much this carries, but Inglemoor also holds the 2015-17 ms state champions, who would now be juniors and seniors with nationals experience.

idk probably wrong but anyone else have thoughts?


Camas got second to Bothel due to the tiebreaker using first place medals, and the same tie occurred at Aviation last year except Camas won the tiebreaker, and well you saw how state went. Camas is often a late blooming team due to the time taken to refine their builds.


based off GGSO result, Bothell really stepped up their game, coming 7th overall. Also, looking at Camas, their builds bombed out on what I presume is their A team, black, while their other team, red, placed in all builds except for boom

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby jaggie34 » February 11th, 2019, 11:25 am

Rossyspsce wrote:
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Placing Camas at 14th is interesting, due to the bombs they've had at the two invitationals they've had so far. Also, they got second to Bothell, who went to nationals as of 2016. Inglemoor also seems a strong competitor in the state of Washington. Not sure how much this carries, but Inglemoor also holds the 2015-17 ms state champions, who would now be juniors and seniors with nationals experience.

idk probably wrong but anyone else have thoughts?


Camas got second to Bothel due to the tiebreaker using first place medals, and the same tie occurred at Aviation last year except Camas won the tiebreaker, and well you saw how state went. Camas is often a late blooming team due to the time taken to refine their builds.


based off GGSO result, Bothell really stepped up their game, coming 7th overall. Also, looking at Camas, their builds bombed out on what I presume is their A team, black, while their other team, red, placed in all builds except for boom


At GGSO, apparently Camas was missing 6 of their top team members so it's hard to accurately judge them from it.
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Rossyspsce » February 11th, 2019, 12:00 pm

jaggie34 wrote:
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Camas got second to Bothel due to the tiebreaker using first place medals, and the same tie occurred at Aviation last year except Camas won the tiebreaker, and well you saw how state went. Camas is often a late blooming team due to the time taken to refine their builds.


based off GGSO result, Bothell really stepped up their game, coming 7th overall. Also, looking at Camas, their builds bombed out on what I presume is their A team, black, while their other team, red, placed in all builds except for boom


At GGSO, apparently Camas was missing 6 of their top team members so it's hard to accurately judge them from it.


from what I remember from Mira Loma, they still brought their A team builders, which is why I was focusing mostly on builds in my point due to the fact Kyanite was saying that was where Camas usually pulls a lot of their weight

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Kyanite » February 11th, 2019, 6:03 pm

Rossyspsce wrote:
jaggie34 wrote:
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based off GGSO result, Bothell really stepped up their game, coming 7th overall. Also, looking at Camas, their builds bombed out on what I presume is their A team, black, while their other team, red, placed in all builds except for boom


At GGSO, apparently Camas was missing 6 of their top team members so it's hard to accurately judge them from it.


from what I remember from Mira Loma, they still brought their A team builders, which is why I was focusing mostly on builds in my point due to the fact Kyanite was saying that was where Camas usually pulls a lot of their weight


That is true builds are our strong point a lot of times, the team lost a lot of the good build leads this past year, but this years build leaders are all talented and I am sure their builds will only improve as the year progresses. I cant speak to if their performance at GGSO was a reflection of the builds running at full potential or not, I know for my mission last year it was only about half built for GGSO.

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Rossyspsce » February 11th, 2019, 6:28 pm

Kyanite wrote:
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jaggie34 wrote:
At GGSO, apparently Camas was missing 6 of their top team members so it's hard to accurately judge them from it.


from what I remember from Mira Loma, they still brought their A team builders, which is why I was focusing mostly on builds in my point due to the fact Kyanite was saying that was where Camas usually pulls a lot of their weight


That is true builds are our strong point a lot of times, the team lost a lot of the good build leads this past year, but this years build leaders are all talented and I am sure their builds will only improve as the year progresses. I cant speak to if their performance at GGSO was a reflection of the builds running at full potential or not, I know for my mission last year it was only about half built for GGSO.


Understandable, but looking at their other team they had really outstanding builds, 3rd in mission, 1st mousetrap, 4th Wright stuff. Not sure if there is a single person on that second team doing builds, but I think Camas Black really bombed builds

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Kyanite » February 11th, 2019, 6:31 pm

Rossyspsce wrote:
Kyanite wrote:
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from what I remember from Mira Loma, they still brought their A team builders, which is why I was focusing mostly on builds in my point due to the fact Kyanite was saying that was where Camas usually pulls a lot of their weight


That is true builds are our strong point a lot of times, the team lost a lot of the good build leads this past year, but this years build leaders are all talented and I am sure their builds will only improve as the year progresses. I cant speak to if their performance at GGSO was a reflection of the builds running at full potential or not, I know for my mission last year it was only about half built for GGSO.


Understandable, but looking at their other team they had really outstanding builds, 3rd in mission, 1st mousetrap, 4th Wright stuff. Not sure if there is a single person on that second team doing builds, but I think Camas Black really bombed builds


Thats true, I am sure they would have liked to have done better.

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Rossyspsce » February 11th, 2019, 6:40 pm

Kyanite wrote:
Rossyspsce wrote:
Kyanite wrote:
That is true builds are our strong point a lot of times, the team lost a lot of the good build leads this past year, but this years build leaders are all talented and I am sure their builds will only improve as the year progresses. I cant speak to if their performance at GGSO was a reflection of the builds running at full potential or not, I know for my mission last year it was only about half built for GGSO.


Understandable, but looking at their other team they had really outstanding builds, 3rd in mission, 1st mousetrap, 4th Wright stuff. Not sure if there is a single person on that second team doing builds, but I think Camas Black really bombed builds


Thats true, I am sure they would have liked to have done better.


I think seeing Bothell place higher than Camas Black overshadowed the real dark horse in Washington state scioly, that Camas Red is actually stepped up their builds more than Bothell has as a team, looking at growth from the last couple tournaments where both were in attendance

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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby TheChiScientist » Yesterday, 4:32 pm

Given some major results, I'll put in my top 10...
Div C:
1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Solon
4. WW-P North
5. New Trier
6. Acton-Boxborough
7. Harriton
8. Mira Loma
9. LASA or 7 Lakes
10. Stevenson
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Anomaly » Yesterday, 4:35 pm

TheChiScientist wrote:Given some major results, I'll put in my top 10...
Div C:
1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Solon
4. WW-P North
5. New Trier
6. Acton-Boxborough
7. Harriton
8. Mira Loma
9. Mounds View
10. Camas

wow totally discounting NY teams here
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby TheChiScientist » Yesterday, 4:38 pm

Anomaly wrote:
TheChiScientist wrote:Given some major results, I'll put in my top 10...
Div C:
1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Solon
4. WW-P North
5. New Trier
6. Acton-Boxborough
7. Harriton
8. Mira Loma
9. Mounds View
10. Camas

wow totally discounting NY teams here

I reevaluated... Besides I'm not seeing much power coming from the NY region that stands out at least. WW-P North is radiating with potential and so is New Trier.
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Anomaly » Yesterday, 4:39 pm

TheChiScientist wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
TheChiScientist wrote:Given some major results, I'll put in my top 10...
Div C:
1. Troy
2. Mason
3. Solon
4. WW-P North
5. New Trier
6. Acton-Boxborough
7. Harriton
8. Mira Loma
9. Mounds View
10. Camas

wow totally discounting NY teams here

I reevaluated... Besides I'm not seeing much power coming from the NY region that stands out at least. WW-P North is radiating with potential and so is New Trier.

Columbia just beat Solon at Cornell with Ward Melville behind Solon in 3rd...
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby TheChiScientist » Yesterday, 4:55 pm

I heard Solon went unstacked to Cornell? When manually stacked we have Solon come in with a score of 137 which seems to be higher due to the unusual bomb or two. Otherwise, my stance stands with NY not being in the top 10. Definitely top 15 but not top ten. I just don't see it given the aggressive nature of nationals and Cornell didn't have a wide diversity state wise while SOUP did. I think SOUP is a better representation of national results as a whole so I stand by my predictions.
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby Anomaly » Yesterday, 4:59 pm

TheChiScientist wrote:I heard Solon went unstacked to Cornell? When manually stacked we have Solon come in with a score of 137 which seems to be higher due to the unusual bomb or two. Otherwise, my stance stands with NY not being in the top 10. Definitely top 15 but not top ten. I just don't see it given the aggressive nature of nationals and Cornell didn't have a wide diversity state wise while SOUP did. I think SOUP is a better representation of national results as a whole so I stand by my predictions.

*facepalm* i forgot stacking and unstacking was a thing oops
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Re: Way Too Early Predictions

Postby TheChiScientist » Yesterday, 5:02 pm

Anomaly wrote:
TheChiScientist wrote:I heard Solon went unstacked to Cornell? When manually stacked we have Solon come in with a score of 137 which seems to be higher due to the unusual bomb or two. Otherwise, my stance stands with NY not being in the top 10. Definitely top 15 but not top ten. I just don't see it given the aggressive nature of nationals and Cornell didn't have a wide diversity state wise while SOUP did. I think SOUP is a better representation of national results as a whole so I stand by my predictions.

*facepalm* i forgot stacking and unstacking was a thing oops

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