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Re: Wright Stuff C
I agree, build a plane for left circles, optimize the trim, before looking at right circles. Simplify as much as possible before competition. Anything that must be changed, make it a fixed change. No time for measurements or trim flights.
While we enjoyed the higher ceiling last year, doing WS in ceilings that are not typical high school gyms present challenges that may be hard to overcome (though partial motor testing proved valuable).
More importantly, the higher ceiling extends flight times, driving the rules to a more compromised airframe to limit times. Perhaps the ceiling should be limited?
Our kids are once again looking forward to investigating and solving this challenge. They know it means lots of flying, which is heaven in their minds!
Get in the gym!
Coach Chuck
While we enjoyed the higher ceiling last year, doing WS in ceilings that are not typical high school gyms present challenges that may be hard to overcome (though partial motor testing proved valuable).
More importantly, the higher ceiling extends flight times, driving the rules to a more compromised airframe to limit times. Perhaps the ceiling should be limited?
Our kids are once again looking forward to investigating and solving this challenge. They know it means lots of flying, which is heaven in their minds!
Get in the gym!
Coach Chuck
Coach, Albuquerque Area Home Schoolers Flying Events
Nationals Results:
2016 C WS 8th place
2018 B WS 2nd place
2018 C Heli Champion
2019 B ELG 3rd place
2019 C WS Champion
AMA Results: 3 AAHS members qualify for US Jr Team in F1D, 4 new youth senior records
Nationals Results:
2016 C WS 8th place
2018 B WS 2nd place
2018 C Heli Champion
2019 B ELG 3rd place
2019 C WS Champion
AMA Results: 3 AAHS members qualify for US Jr Team in F1D, 4 new youth senior records
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Re: Wright Stuff C
Thank you for this. I've still got a lot more reading to go, but so far from what I've gathered the general basis to doing well is to focus on mainly trimming and gathering data rather than the design (as long as its functional). My only problem with that is I believe I'm only allowed a gym for testing about once a week for 3-4 hours. Would this be sufficient enough for gathering data?CrayolaCrayon wrote:You've made a good choice. This is a very high quality event that pays off with lots of testing. Look at this link and go to the end of the thread: viewtopic.php?f=299&t=12123&start=780
That has advice from the end of last year from some of the best fliers in the country (Jander, Chuck, BJT, retired1)
Another place to look is the 2016 WS forums for advice. The knowledge fostered on here will take you very far.
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Re: Wright Stuff C
Bread,
As we get close to competitions, once a week is the same amount of time that my teams spend trimming and testing, as long as you start soon. We try to start testing by mid-October.
Wright Stuff (and the other Aero events) are lots of fun and are definitely real Aerospace Engineering and Materials Engineering.
Brian T
As we get close to competitions, once a week is the same amount of time that my teams spend trimming and testing, as long as you start soon. We try to start testing by mid-October.
Wright Stuff (and the other Aero events) are lots of fun and are definitely real Aerospace Engineering and Materials Engineering.
Brian T
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I wish I could get that much time in a gym. I was limited to 30 minute-1 hour spurts in the morning. I would come in an hour before school to test, at around 6 AM almost every morning Monday- Friday for 5 months. The gymtime you have is great. Make good use of it!
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Alright, thank you both. I wasn't sure how much time was necessary, but I'll be sure to use as much as I can. I am pretty excited so I think I'll bring out some old planes from last year and mess around with them to get a feel for flying when I get the time. Also, before I go back to more reading, are there any predictions yet for time this year? Let's assume a 30' ceiling.
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Re: Wright Stuff C
I know of some kit makers getting around 60-70 seconds. Aim for increments, and making small changes. It's okay if it's only 10 or 20 seconds at first. Start slow, and work your way up.
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Re: Wright Stuff C
I assumed that left and right turn bonus will force kids build airplane closer to real airplane, symmetry, not optimized deeply for left turn.
Maybe just like RC airplane, adjust rudder and aileron (optional) between the 2 official flights.
Tiger
Maybe just like RC airplane, adjust rudder and aileron (optional) between the 2 official flights.
Tiger
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Re: Wright Stuff C
there are many other options to consider for the bonus as well this year
its very doable, best of luck to all of you
it's not about the medals; go out there and have fun. make progress, learn a few things and have one heck of a time; that's all that matters.
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Re: Wright Stuff C
even though i haven't built anything yet, i think its pretty obvious that the bonus is needed to even be reasonably competitive. optimizing for left turns instead of having something symmetrical might be a lot better, but it's definitely not 100% better.klastyioer wrote: ↑September 9th, 2019, 4:35 amthere are many other options to consider for the bonus as well this year
its very doable, best of luck to all of you
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Re: Wright Stuff C
I have been involved with WS since 2004 as a coach, event supervisor, and workshop presenter.
The WS 2020 rules largely dictate a rubber powered model airplane which is inherently unstable and difficult to trim, and will lead to much student frustration and disappointment. Many students will therefore probably give up on free flight after competing in WS. Did anyone on the particular SO rules committee responsible for drafting the WS 2020 rules actually build and fly a WS airplane that meets those rules before they were formally adopted? If the goal of the WS 2020 rules was to limit flight times, there were much better ways to do this. Let me give you one example.
Several years ago, I proposed an event for SO called Rubber Powered Airplane (RPA). The goals of RPA were to increase experimentation and the variety of designs at competition, and to simplify judging at check-in. The RPA rules can be found at the following link (see Reply #19):
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hp ... ic=21883.0
Basically, under the RPA rules any design of rubber powered airplane that fits inside a FedEx large box (with or without the propeller installed) while in flight configuration and that weighs a minimum of 5 grams is permissible. There is no limit on the size of the rubber motor or the diameter of the prop. The sizes of the wing, stab, fin and motor stick are only limited by your ability to fit the fully assembled air frame into the FedEx large box.
Maxout’s simple RPA design is displayed at Reply #11 at the link above.
Stable and easily trimmable models are readily achievable under the rules of the RPA event. It was successfully run as a trial event at the 2017 SoCal SO State Finals. The winning flight time at that competition was only 69 seconds partly due to late publication of the RPA rules and the minimum effort students were able to devote to competing in a trial event. RPA flight times of 2+ minutes are possible in a standard size HS gym. RPA flight times could easily be further limited by simply increasing the minimum weight of the airplane to 6, 7, or even 8 grams, without compromising the ease of achieving stabile designs.
The RPA event was praised by WS coaches and expert indoor fliers. It could have been adopted by the Nationals SO organization and renamed WS to continue the tradition of that event. Instead RPA died as a potential SO event in 2017 without any reasons for its non-acceptance being made public.
Draw your own conclusions.
The WS 2020 rules largely dictate a rubber powered model airplane which is inherently unstable and difficult to trim, and will lead to much student frustration and disappointment. Many students will therefore probably give up on free flight after competing in WS. Did anyone on the particular SO rules committee responsible for drafting the WS 2020 rules actually build and fly a WS airplane that meets those rules before they were formally adopted? If the goal of the WS 2020 rules was to limit flight times, there were much better ways to do this. Let me give you one example.
Several years ago, I proposed an event for SO called Rubber Powered Airplane (RPA). The goals of RPA were to increase experimentation and the variety of designs at competition, and to simplify judging at check-in. The RPA rules can be found at the following link (see Reply #19):
https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hp ... ic=21883.0
Basically, under the RPA rules any design of rubber powered airplane that fits inside a FedEx large box (with or without the propeller installed) while in flight configuration and that weighs a minimum of 5 grams is permissible. There is no limit on the size of the rubber motor or the diameter of the prop. The sizes of the wing, stab, fin and motor stick are only limited by your ability to fit the fully assembled air frame into the FedEx large box.
Maxout’s simple RPA design is displayed at Reply #11 at the link above.
Stable and easily trimmable models are readily achievable under the rules of the RPA event. It was successfully run as a trial event at the 2017 SoCal SO State Finals. The winning flight time at that competition was only 69 seconds partly due to late publication of the RPA rules and the minimum effort students were able to devote to competing in a trial event. RPA flight times of 2+ minutes are possible in a standard size HS gym. RPA flight times could easily be further limited by simply increasing the minimum weight of the airplane to 6, 7, or even 8 grams, without compromising the ease of achieving stabile designs.
The RPA event was praised by WS coaches and expert indoor fliers. It could have been adopted by the Nationals SO organization and renamed WS to continue the tradition of that event. Instead RPA died as a potential SO event in 2017 without any reasons for its non-acceptance being made public.
Draw your own conclusions.
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