F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by bjt4888 » October 15th, 2019, 7:03 am

Crayola,

Great problem solving. This practice of critical thinking skills will serve you well in any field of endeavor.

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by DatSciolyBoi » October 15th, 2019, 12:04 pm

CrayolaCrayon wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 6:35 am
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Chuck,

Congrats to you team for super results. Your students will represent the US well at the Worlds. The salt mine flying should be another special experience.

A tremendous effort to build, test and compete the F1D’s!

Remind the forum (and me) the ceiling height at the team selection site (Lakehurst, NJ; hangar for the Hindenburg, I believe).

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180 feet at peak height. It takes tremendous effort to get to the ceiling.


Something I wanted to point out: my rubber snapped midflight in Round 8, punching a hole in the motorstick, and ripping one of the prop blades off. I've never in my life seen that happen before. I guess that's what happens when you wind past 120%!
Ouch, that happened to me at states before, it tore a giant hole through our wing :cry:
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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by builderguy135 » October 15th, 2019, 4:11 pm

Congrats Andrew!!
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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by coachchuckaahs » October 15th, 2019, 7:21 pm

Each of my kids made it to near the rafters, each on their own day. Monet was the only one to touch, but Josiah was there on Sunday, and Anjulie on Saturday. It was interesting that on Sunday almost all of the planes struggled to climb without stalling. I think a humidity change affected the MS length, but not the rigging wire. We made rigging changes and got it working again on Monday.

By Monday, the planes were tired. Josiah has something loose, and never got rid of stalling in the power climb. If it crash landed and he immediately re-launched, it was fine, bu had lost its ability to climb. Anjulie had her motorstick split the seam, so it was torsionally not stiff at all, and took several flights to find the issue. Monet had stab problems Sunday, re-covered it overnight, but did not check CG. We finally got the CG correct for the last flight. It is too bad she will not be at the Salt Mine, as she had the best climbing plane among them all. A very tight spiral at probably 75 degrees climb, it was a rocket to the rafters, and then beautifully trimmed.

I think the big lesson is to get a LOT of trim flights. Just because it set a record yesterday does not mean it will work today! Especially with humidity changes (rained overnight). I was proud of my kids, who have learned to adjust, repair, and optimize their planes with little input. They keep me busy asking for different rubber loop lengths. They normally cut their own rubber, but that proved to be a bottleneck, so I spent almost every waking hour cutting, tying, and breaking in rubber, as late as 4am!

It is one thing to trim for cruise and letdown, with 0.1 oz-in of torque Once that is done, trimming for launch at over 0.5 oz-in without destroying the cruise/letdown was a challenge. So many variables!

WS is relatively simple, with low ceilings and taking off almost in cruise! When these kids apply their F1D skills in WS this year, look out!

Finally, SO WS participants: Seek out indoor flyers, in your area or online, and consider trying out for the US team! If no indoor people, get someone with some modeling experience of any type, and learn together. Just leave a LOT more time than two months! This was the first Junior Team Trials in many years with a full slate of participants, and it made for an exciting competition. I think our team will be strong next March.

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2018 B WS 2nd place
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2019 C WS Champion
AMA Results: 3 AAHS members qualify for US Jr Team in F1D, 4 new youth senior records

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by coachchuckaahs » November 20th, 2019, 4:32 pm

In an interesting twist, the FAI has instituted new rules for World Championships, which apply to the 2020 event. In order to encourage female participation, they now define a team as 3 members, or 4 members if at least one member is a female!

Since we have two Junior females, Monet gets to participate as a full team member!

The score for the team will be the sum of the scores from the highest three individuals on the team. If the team medals, all four receive a medal and stand on the podium. In addition, if at least 3 women participate, there is a podium for women as well!

Exciting times

And once again note that all FOUR team members got their start in SO, and all placed in the top 2 at Nationals last year. We have a STRONG Junior team!

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by coachchuckaahs » December 17th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Media mention in Albuquerque's New Mexico Kids! Magazine, https://issuu.com/newmexico-kids/docs/jan_feb_20web. Article is on page 30.

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by bjt4888 » December 17th, 2019, 5:59 pm

Chuck,

Very nice article. Your team is living proof of how far hard work and good analytical skills can take you.

Good luck to your team at the Worlds in April.

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by calgoddard » December 18th, 2019, 5:37 am

Great article Chuck! Your students should be very proud of their accomplishments in free flight modeling. Their success is in large part due to your tremendous investment of time as a mentor.

You should be aware that Kang Lee, a recent World F1D Champion, would probably be happy to give your students some expert advice on how to approach flying F1D models in the salt mine at Slanic, Romania.

I look forward to reading future reports about your students' achievements. The F1D junior team members, and the alternate as well, have very bright futures.

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by coachchuckaahs » December 18th, 2019, 9:11 am

Cal:

Yes, we were in touch with Kang during our builds in the summer, as we built his design. We met him at the Team Trials, and he has worked closely with Andrew. We have worked with Brett Sanborn as well, since he is local to Albuquerque. He attended a lot of our (6:30 am) test sessions, and his input was extremely valuable in learning to fly these beasts. We have also received input form team manager Tom Sova, and selection chair John Kagan, in adjusting our propeller approach for the mines.

Since I am relatively new to indoor flying (and just as a coach, not as a flyer), and 100% new to F1D, this input and support from the indoor community has been fantastic and valuable. The indoor community embraces newcomers, and especially youth. I strongly urge SO participants to expand, first to LPP, then to F1D, and allow what you have learned here to become a lifelong pursuit. We have that opportunity more in the flying events than any other SO event.

As we move on, anyone in the future interested in F1D, I can help point in the right direction through my lessons learned. It is a steep hill to climb, but there are many willing to lend a hand.

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2016 C WS 8th place
2018 B WS 2nd place
2018 C Heli Champion
2019 B ELG 3rd place
2019 C WS Champion
AMA Results: 3 AAHS members qualify for US Jr Team in F1D, 4 new youth senior records

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Re: F1D Junior Team Selection Contest

Post by CrayolaCrayon » December 18th, 2019, 9:32 am

coachchuckaahs wrote:
December 18th, 2019, 9:11 am
Cal:

Yes, we were in touch with Kang during our builds in the summer, as we built his design. We met him at the Team Trials, and he has worked closely with Andrew.

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Kang has been more than helpful throughout everything. Him and Steve Brown are some of the best flyers I have ever worked with.

The community for F1D is incredibly welcoming, and I think that's what has kept it going for so long.
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