Sounds of Music C

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby mjcox2000 » May 17th, 2019, 7:25 am

There was a clarification posted a while ago:

THE RULES SAY THAT "ALL NOTES OF THE SCALE MUST LIE BETWEEN F2 AND F5." IS THIS INCLUSIVE OR EXCLUSIVE, I.E. WOULD HAVING F2 OR F5 AS ONE OF THE NOTES BE ALLOWED, AND IF IT IS, WOULD A SLIGHTLY SHARP F5 OR A SLIGHTLY FLAT F2 BE DISQUALIFIED?
Yes, that is inclusive of F2 and F5. Any note outside of this range is not acceptable, whether sharp or flat. If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded.

I can’t tell whether or not this answer permits a flat F2 or a sharp F5 as a scorable note. The second sentence seems to suggest it doesn’t, but the third sentence seems to suggest it does. Does anyone know whether it actually answers the question one way or the other?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby jonboyage » May 17th, 2019, 8:30 am

There was a clarification posted a while ago:

THE RULES SAY THAT "ALL NOTES OF THE SCALE MUST LIE BETWEEN F2 AND F5." IS THIS INCLUSIVE OR EXCLUSIVE, I.E. WOULD HAVING F2 OR F5 AS ONE OF THE NOTES BE ALLOWED, AND IF IT IS, WOULD A SLIGHTLY SHARP F5 OR A SLIGHTLY FLAT F2 BE DISQUALIFIED?
Yes, that is inclusive of F2 and F5. Any note outside of this range is not acceptable, whether sharp or flat. If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded.

I can’t tell whether or not this answer permits a flat F2 or a sharp F5 as a scorable note. The second sentence seems to suggest it doesn’t, but the third sentence seems to suggest it does. Does anyone know whether it actually answers the question one way or the other?
Any "note" implies a totally different note. If you're playing F5 too sharp, you are still playing F5, not F#5, unless you are over 50 cents sharp, in which case you'd get 0 points anyways.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby mjcox2000 » May 17th, 2019, 9:00 am

There was a clarification posted a while ago:

THE RULES SAY THAT "ALL NOTES OF THE SCALE MUST LIE BETWEEN F2 AND F5." IS THIS INCLUSIVE OR EXCLUSIVE, I.E. WOULD HAVING F2 OR F5 AS ONE OF THE NOTES BE ALLOWED, AND IF IT IS, WOULD A SLIGHTLY SHARP F5 OR A SLIGHTLY FLAT F2 BE DISQUALIFIED?
Yes, that is inclusive of F2 and F5. Any note outside of this range is not acceptable, whether sharp or flat. If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded.

I can’t tell whether or not this answer permits a flat F2 or a sharp F5 as a scorable note. The second sentence seems to suggest it doesn’t, but the third sentence seems to suggest it does. Does anyone know whether it actually answers the question one way or the other?
Any "note" implies a totally different note. If you're playing F5 too sharp, you are still playing F5, not F#5, unless you are over 50 cents sharp, in which case you'd get 0 points anyways.
While I could see that argument being made, I could just as easily see someone asserting that a 698.4 Hz note is a different note from a 698.5 Hz note. I think a reasonable event supervisor would side with your view, but I think the clarification as written might give even the most by-the-book event supervisor latitude to take either side.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby knightmoves » May 17th, 2019, 1:51 pm

While I could see that argument being made, I could just as easily see someone asserting that a 698.4 Hz note is a different note from a 698.5 Hz note. I think a reasonable event supervisor would side with your view, but I think the clarification as written might give even the most by-the-book event supervisor latitude to take either side.
"If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded."

That seems pretty unambiguous to me.

You have to announce your scale and starting pitch. So you tell the ES that you're playing F major, ascending, starting on F2. If your F2 is a bit flat, you're still OK - you score for the cents that you're flat by.

You may not attempt to play a scale containing notes lower than F2 or higher than F5.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Riptide » May 17th, 2019, 7:31 pm

What teams are good in sounds going to nats?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » May 17th, 2019, 7:33 pm

While I could see that argument being made, I could just as easily see someone asserting that a 698.4 Hz note is a different note from a 698.5 Hz note. I think a reasonable event supervisor would side with your view, but I think the clarification as written might give even the most by-the-book event supervisor latitude to take either side.
"If the device ends up slightly outside that range, the appropriate cents off of the target note will be recorded."

That seems pretty unambiguous to me.

You have to announce your scale and starting pitch. So you tell the ES that you're playing F major, ascending, starting on F2. If your F2 is a bit flat, you're still OK - you score for the cents that you're flat by.

You may not attempt to play a scale containing notes lower than F2 or higher than F5.
Agreed, it seems clear to me.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby TheSquaad » June 5th, 2019, 9:36 pm

What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby wec01 » June 6th, 2019, 10:21 am

What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby olivia.m19 » June 6th, 2019, 10:30 am

What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby wec01 » June 6th, 2019, 11:17 am

What do people think they’ll do to change up the event for next year? My partner and I were speculating, and we thought they may change it from playing a series of pitches to playing a series of volumes at a fixed pitch.
I don't think they would change it that much, but I think they will try to make it more difficult. Right now, the threshold for a perfect score is somewhat low, and I think it would be helpful if they made more room for variation in scores. For example, with the loudness score I think it might make sense to raise the max volume or perhaps do something like thermo heat scores where each performance is scored based on how it compares to the best performance at the competition.
don't know if this is official at all (so take this with a grain of salt) but i think i saw chalker say in the nationals event discussion that they're planning to make significant changes to sounds next year. hopefully they will do something along the lines of what you said

edit: just realized TheSquaad (and maybe wec01) have probably already seen this bit of info in the original thread anyways, sorry for the excess post!
Oh, actually now that I'm looking at chalker's post again, since it says people shouldn't worry about keeping devices secret, maybe there are changes that are that big. I think it would be plausible that the format of the device testing is changing altogether, like TheSquaad's speculations, but it would be hard to predict how.
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