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Re: Politics

Postby PacificGoldenPlover » October 1st, 2011, 6:52 pm

Yes, he started it, and Obama's wrong for liking it. And just like pinning tax cuts on Bush even though Obama extended them.
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Re: Politics

Postby JKrafsur » October 1st, 2011, 6:58 pm

Um, yea I have heard for a long time that bush created around 5 trillion dollars of debt in 8 YEARS, where as Obama has created around 10 trillion more (and counting) over 3 YEARS!!!
Bush may have given us a little debt, but good freaking grief there is no excuse for the amount Obama has spent
2/3 of the debt is from Obama
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Re: Politics

Postby JKrafsur » October 1st, 2011, 7:05 pm

(just saying)
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Re: Politics

Postby fmtiger124 » October 1st, 2011, 7:06 pm

Yes, he started it, and Obama's wrong for liking it. And just like pinning tax cuts on Bush even though Obama extended them.
Anyone who pins the extension of all levels of Bush tax cuts squarely on Obama isn't understanding how our government works. There's this thing called congress... In today's world of refusal to compromise, when the GOP controls the house, you are essentially held hostage by them acting as if they control all of our government as opposed to simply one house. The GOP insisted that they would not pass the bill through the house unless all cuts were extended. They essentially held the middle class' cuts hostage in order to obtain the extension of the cuts for the upper class. The president is essentially left in a no-win situation. He isn't going to let the middle class' cuts expire...it's political suicide. The president in our system of checks in balances combined with the party of No mentality of the the GOP is left essentially helpless.
Um, yea I have heard for a long time that bush created around 5 trillion dollars of debt in 8 YEARS, where as Obama has created around 10 trillion more (and counting) over 3 YEARS!!!
Bush may have given us a little debt, but good freaking grief there is no excuse for the amount Obama has spent
2/3 of the debt is from Obama
yea...um no
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National- ... l-Term.htm
http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/ ... l_debt.jpg

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Wait..? So you're still blaming Bush for the war in Afghanistan and Iran when Obama is all for the Afghanistan war?
Being against a war on terror is generally not good policy considering how paranoid Americans are. But, he actually just announced a 33,000 troop withdrawal yesterday. Unlike Bush, he recognizes the war and the defense department have completely bloated our spending and is trying to get us out.
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Re: Politics

Postby JKrafsur » October 1st, 2011, 7:08 pm

DID YOU KNOW: Hmm, well lets see, a district held by Democrats for over 80 years was given to a republican candidate in NY last month in Anthony Weiner's former seat, seems to be a precursor to 2012, anybody agree?? And by the way, 2/3 voters in this district are registered dems. Lets see anybody counter that
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Re: Politics

Postby JKrafsur » October 1st, 2011, 7:10 pm

Um, yea I have heard for a long time that bush created around 5 trillion dollars of debt in 8 YEARS, where as Obama has created around 10 trillion more (and counting) over 3 YEARS!!!
Bush may have given us a little debt, but good freaking grief there is no excuse for the amount Obama has spent
2/3 of the debt is from Obama
yea...um no
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National- ... l-Term.htm
http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/ ... l_debt.jpg

Um yea, look at that skymachines one ya got there, it clearly states Bush created 5 trillion more and the other 10 trillion comes from Democrats, and 1/2 of that 10 trillion has been racked up over 3 years, not 8 like Bill and Bush
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Re: Politics

Postby tornado guy » October 1st, 2011, 7:11 pm

Yes, he started it, and Obama's wrong for liking it. And just like pinning tax cuts on Bush even though Obama extended them.
Anyone who pins the extension of all levels of Bush tax cuts squarely on Obama isn't understanding how our government works. There's this thing called congress... In today's world of refusal to compromise, when the GOP controls the house, you are essentially held hostage by them acting as if they control all of our government as opposed to simply one house. The GOP insisted that they would not pass the bill through the house unless all cuts were extended. They essentially held the middle class' cuts hostage in order to obtain the extension of the cuts for the upper class. The president is essentially left in a no-win situation. He isn't going to let the middle class' cuts expire...it's political suicide. The president in our system of checks in balances combined with the party of No mentality of the the GOP is left essentially helpless.
Um, yea I have heard for a long time that bush created around 5 trillion dollars of debt in 8 YEARS, where as Obama has created around 10 trillion more (and counting) over 3 YEARS!!!
Bush may have given us a little debt, but good freaking grief there is no excuse for the amount Obama has spent
2/3 of the debt is from Obama
yea...um no
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National- ... l-Term.htm
http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/ ... l_debt.jpg
Are those sites bias fmtiger? And if it isn't I still see the money spent rising in 2012.. not dropping.
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Re: Politics

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Re: Politics

Postby JKrafsur » October 1st, 2011, 7:26 pm

Ya good point, but I WILL BE PRESIDENT SOME DAY!! No Im kidding, a pilot would be my coice
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Re: Politics

Postby PacificGoldenPlover » October 1st, 2011, 7:37 pm

DID YOU KNOW: Hmm, well lets see, a district held by Democrats for over 80 years was given to a republican candidate in NY last month in Anthony Weiner's former seat, seems to be a precursor to 2012, anybody agree?? And by the way, 2/3 voters in this district are registered dems. Lets see anybody counter that
Hahaha, in May of this very year, a Democrat, Kathy Hochul won a seat in upstate New York which has had three democrats in 150 years, and one of whom was during WWII. In 2010, the Rep. won his seat with about 75% of the vote. "Seems like a precursor, anybody agree?? Lets see anyone try to counter that".
Fmtiger, I was simply showing the hypocrisy of JKrafsur saying that Obama is all for Afghanistan.
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