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2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by Things2do » March 8th, 2020, 7:30 pm

Since this thread has been proposed, but not created, I thought I would take the initiative and make it. Since this is a unofficial event, I don't feel that the General Competition area is a proper place for this. For previous discussions, which I expect will be reiterated below, see pages 16 through 24 here. If you have a better name, I'll change it. I just put that in as a placeholder.

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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by JasperKota » March 8th, 2020, 7:48 pm

For certain build events like ping pong parachute and Wright Stuff I think it'd be possible to have a virtual competition by sending in videos. At the beginning clearly show that the plane meets specs (measure the prop, wings, etc. show the weight on a scale), have no cuts, and clearly show the winding and launching process of both flights. I guess it'd be difficult to regulate ceiling height and whatnot but iirc that's how the AMA ran a virtual competition based around their Alpha plane kit a year or two ago.
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by waterlubber » March 8th, 2020, 7:55 pm

JasperKota wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 7:48 pm
For certain build events like ping pong parachute and Wright Stuff I think it'd be possible to have a virtual competition by sending in videos. At the beginning clearly show that the plane meets specs (measure the prop, wings, etc. show the weight on a scale), have no cuts, and clearly show the winding and launching process of both flights. I guess it'd be difficult to regulate ceiling height and whatnot but iirc that's how the AMA ran a virtual competition based around their Alpha plane kit a year or two ago.
We'll have to be a little more careful with stuff like PPP, as it's an event more unique to Science Olympiad than wright stuff (just a rubber band plane.)
I'm a little more worried about avoiding copyright (not that we're doing anything illegal -- this falls well within the bounds of fair use, it's just I'd like to avoid upsetting SOINC) than execution of events, which should be relatively trivial.

I'd like to request help from people experienced with these events for writing new rulesets for them independent of SO.
The requirements are, in priority order:
1. Must be independent from SO rules. Try to follow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design clean room design principles when making them, and don't have the SO rules up when you do make them. Pretty much all of the testing events are just generic STEM subjects, so those won't be problematic, but unique stuff like PPP or WIDI needs to get creative.
2. Keep it reverse compatible with the SO rules. This is hard to do with Restriction #1, but people do it all the time in the computer science world so it's definitely possible here. People should be able to re-use their builds and get similar results to what they would have gotten at states under ideal conditions.
3. Design the rules to work best online. Modifications to procedure are necessary to ensure integrity (although this is going to be based on the honor system anyway.) I think recorded videos of construction are nice, but the actual test runs should be done on livestream to ensure that they're only being done once.

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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by JoeyC » March 8th, 2020, 7:57 pm

I like this idea, might be a pseudo-replacement to nats due to all the interruptions happening due to Covid-19.
Also: what if we called PPP Indoor Bottle Rocket?
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by Things2do » March 8th, 2020, 8:16 pm

JasperKota wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 7:48 pm
For certain build events like ping pong parachute and Wright Stuff I think it'd be possible to have a virtual competition by sending in videos. At the beginning clearly show that the plane meets specs (measure the prop, wings, etc. show the weight on a scale), have no cuts, and clearly show the winding and launching process of both flights. I guess it'd be difficult to regulate ceiling height and whatnot but iirc that's how the AMA ran a virtual competition based around their Alpha plane kit a year or two ago.
I would question the majority if the build events, not because of the feasibility of running them, but because of how specific the "event requirements" would have to be. I understand how much time, effort, and money has been spent on devices, but it would most likely be a infringement on the SOinc Rules copyrights to make it so that people could use their existing devices. There are enough balsa building things around that we could probably get away with a wooden cantilever event with different scoring and building requirements, but I feel that specialized events like planes and light-descent projectile rockets would be better for those with enough money to build new devices to our specs. If we were to have broad specs that would allow for existing devices from other organizations, I'm afraid that some teams would still spend more money to exploit our requirements to their benefit.
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by JasperKota » March 8th, 2020, 8:25 pm

Things2do wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 8:16 pm
I would question the majority if the build events, not because of the feasibility of running them, but because of how specific the "event requirements" would have to be. I understand how much time, effort, and money has been spent on devices, but it would most likely be a infringement on the SOinc Rules copyrights to make it so that people could use their existing devices. There are enough balsa building things around that we could probably get away with a wooden cantilever event with different scoring and building requirements, but I feel that specialized events like planes and light-descent projectile rockets would be better for those with enough money to build new devices to our specs. If we were to have broad specs that would allow for existing devices from other organizations, I'm afraid that some teams would still spend more money to exploit our requirements to their benefit.
I'm not familiar with the copyright issues but I mostly just want some comparison of how my builds would do when against the rest of my state. Nothing is coming out of this "competition," no official medals or awards are being given. People record practice flights and upload them to Youtube all the time so I don't see why having multiple people do this individually and then comparing them would not be allowed. If the issue is having it under the name of a science "competition" I'd be more than happy to just create a public Youtube playlist and have people pm me their submissions to add their videos, and have it be a separate thing -- not correlated with this virtual competition running other events.
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by Things2do » March 8th, 2020, 8:33 pm

JasperKota wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 8:25 pm
Things2do wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 8:16 pm
I would question the majority if the build events, not because of the feasibility of running them, but because of how specific the "event requirements" would have to be. I understand how much time, effort, and money has been spent on devices, but it would most likely be a infringement on the SOinc Rules copyrights to make it so that people could use their existing devices. There are enough balsa building things around that we could probably get away with a wooden cantilever event with different scoring and building requirements, but I feel that specialized events like planes and light-descent projectile rockets would be better for those with enough money to build new devices to our specs. If we were to have broad specs that would allow for existing devices from other organizations, I'm afraid that some teams would still spend more money to exploit our requirements to their benefit.
I'm not familiar with the copyright issues but I mostly just want some comparison of how my builds would do when against the rest of my state. Nothing is coming out of this "competition," no official medals or awards are being given. People record practice flights and upload them to Youtube all the time so I don't see why having multiple people do this individually and then comparing them would not be allowed. If the issue is having it under the name of a science "competition" I'd be more than happy to just create a public Youtube playlist and have people pm me their submissions to add their videos.
I hadn't thought of that... If there was a compilation of build event practices that were all a certain distance or whatever with no mention of competing, that might work. Otherwise, I can think of a lot of YouTube videos that should be pulled. Including including the majority of my channel...
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Post by SentientJello » March 8th, 2020, 8:50 pm

Out of curiosity, how formal would this be? Could entire schools (with their 6 teams) enter into this competition?
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by Things2do » March 8th, 2020, 9:19 pm

SentientJello wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 8:50 pm
Out of curiosity, how formal would this be? Could entire schools (with their 6 teams) enter into this competition?
I just sorta invited myself into this, so don't hold me to this, but I would assume that any teams/individuals could compete. Probably having the team(s) that would have been at the State competition designated as such to differentiate in the scores, and maybe have a "team" or designation for those individuals that want to see how they would've done at State, even if their team chooses not to participate in this.
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Re: 2020 Friendly Science Competition

Post by sciolyperson1 » March 8th, 2020, 9:46 pm

JasperKota wrote:
March 8th, 2020, 7:48 pm
For certain build events like ping pong parachute and Wright Stuff I think it'd be possible to have a virtual competition by sending in videos. At the beginning clearly show that the plane meets specs (measure the prop, wings, etc. show the weight on a scale), have no cuts, and clearly show the winding and launching process of both flights. I guess it'd be difficult to regulate ceiling height and whatnot but iirc that's how the AMA ran a virtual competition based around their Alpha plane kit a year or two ago.
If it were me, I wouldn't send vids/pics of my builds on the internet lol
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