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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Araluen » March 17th, 2019, 1:19 pm

PirateShip wrote:At the Indiana State tournament, experimental design followed last years rules and rubric


Can something actually come of knowing this? Is there anyway to correct this issue?

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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Name » March 17th, 2019, 10:24 pm

It wasn't ran bad, but the NYS fermi test was kinda crap. When I saw it was 60 questions, I was ready for a long and challenging test, which is the opposite of what I got. I soloed the first half of the test in under 10 min, and probably could've finished in 20 solo if I really tried. We then took our time going over everything, and slowly redoing questions with my partner, making sure everything made sense. A states level (or any level) test shouldn't be asking questions like mass of earth, proton, and electron for most of the test, as probably around 2/3 of the test was just straight facts I had memorized, while only one or two questions took any actual thinking. I heard multiple teams saying that it was the easiest fermi test they had taken, and even the regionals test was more challenging overall. It basically tested how many facts you memerized, with almost no critical thinking at all. Kinda a disappointing test to end fermi on. On the bright side though, the length was pretty good.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Ender1982 » March 18th, 2019, 8:53 am

Araluen wrote:
PirateShip wrote:At the Indiana State tournament, experimental design followed last years rules and rubric


Can something actually come of knowing this? Is there anyway to correct this issue?


Summary of most Indiana State events: The event supervisors are nice people, but they don't follow the rules, or it is a short test (10-20 questions) that they expect to differentiate with 36 teams.

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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby CPScienceDude » March 18th, 2019, 8:58 am

Ender1982 wrote:
Araluen wrote:
PirateShip wrote:At the Indiana State tournament, experimental design followed last years rules and rubric


Can something actually come of knowing this? Is there anyway to correct this issue?


Summary of most Indiana State events: The event supervisors are nice people, but they don't follow the rules, or it is a short test (10-20 questions) that they expect to differentiate with 36 teams.

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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Blank25 » March 18th, 2019, 2:55 pm

The NYS Protein Modeling Written test was one of the WORST RUN TESTS. Because it was so hot in the room, the proctor turned off the lights(with no effect in my opinion). Because the proctor turned off the lights, my team had a hard time reading our cheat sheet. In addition, there weren't enough chairs so my team only had 1 chair to sit in and one of my other partners and I had to sit on the floor. These conditions were BY FAR the worst test-taking conditions I have EVER experienced.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby pikachu4919 » March 18th, 2019, 5:48 pm

CPScienceDude wrote:
Ender1982 wrote:
Araluen wrote:
Can something actually come of knowing this? Is there anyway to correct this issue?


Summary of most Indiana State events: The event supervisors are nice people, but they don't follow the rules, or it is a short test (10-20 questions) that they expect to differentiate with 36 teams.

*Cough* Water Quality *Cough*


Does that make me an exception? :P
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby DatSciolyBoi » March 18th, 2019, 8:30 pm

Last year in Mystery Architecture, we went to Cal Tech for states. While my partner and I were working, a team started to argue. Eventually the two people were hurling insults back and forth. The Cal Tech students that supervised just sat and watched the whole time, so did everyone else in the room, except me and my partner. We got second, so yeah, lesson, always take advantage of the situation.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby samlan16 » March 19th, 2019, 2:18 pm

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Still waiting on that ;)

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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby satvik03 » March 24th, 2019, 10:16 am

At UCC Regionals, we were supposed to make parachutes for experimental design, but we didn't get string (the ES ran out). We used broken rubber bands instead. At states, the ES came in 20 minutes late, but other than that, it the ES ran the event pretty well. However, this made me late to thermodynamics, which is another story...

Ok, so they said our thermodynamics device was too big (more than 20 cm), when this issue never occurred at any other invitational (LISO, Rustin, Garnet, Cornell). We measured, and it was clearly less than 20 cm. Then, after 5 minutes, they checked it again, and said it was fine now, and they gave us a corrected competition violation, which basically is a multiplier. We did not even change anything! It led to a deduction of 8-15 points. This resulted in us getting 5th :x
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Scrambledeggs » April 3rd, 2019, 8:46 pm

Last year at Socal states for code busters, every question was around 6-10 sentences long and there was 20 questions ... enough said.

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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby MadCow2357 » April 5th, 2019, 1:40 pm

Finally got time to post this story...

But first of all I'd like to thank the RI Boomilever Event Supervisors this year for not using Pre-Moisturized Blue Crayola Play Sand, or any other color for that matter. :D

However, it seems that they find a way to mess up the structure events every year... This time, it was the scale. There were several problems with the scale:
1. It measured imperial Dude, how hard is it to go metric? I bought a metric 0.01g scale for twelve bucks :? But I guess you can convert imperial into metric, so good to go? :?:
2. The scale was really old. Like, really really old. And definitely not accurate. Well that sucks but I guess if it measures everyone's inaccurately it's fine? :(
3. It measured in pounds. Woah that's a red flag there! :shock:
4. It's capacity was 60 pounds. WTF how do you even measure something so light on a scale meant to measure 60 pounds!!!!!!! :shock: :shock:

Yeah so basically they used the same scale to weigh the sand AND the boomilevers. Even the heaviest ones (like over 100 grams) weren't really registering on the scale. So anything below 1/8" of a pound (about 57 grams) they guessed... Last year they used triple beam balances that measured to the gram, so I did account for the fact that they'd probably mess up the weight of the boom by a bit, and built my states boomilever to go for load instead of weight. It weighed 9.78 grams, but they measured it as 24. Of course, I appealed and argued with them (our parents and coaches did too), and they finally lowered my weight to 22.5g... over 2 times the actual weight. Basically they recorded approx. 735, which was less than half of my actual efficiency (1473). Luckily I still won first by a pretty big margin :) If this was the bomb that prevented us from going to nats, I would have - actually I don't know what I would have done, but probably something stupid lol.

They also measured our high school's boomilever at 1/24 of an ounce (like 2 grams), when it actually weighed 13g. Of course with a recorded efficiency of about 5000, our HS won first.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby waffletree » April 6th, 2019, 9:09 am

MadCow2357 wrote:Finally got time to post this story...

But first of all I'd like to thank the RI Boomilever Event Supervisors this year for not using Pre-Moisturized Blue Crayola Play Sand, or any other color for that matter. :D

However, it seems that they find a way to mess up the structure events every year... This time, it was the scale. There were several problems with the scale:
1. It measured imperial Dude, how hard is it to go metric? I bought a metric 0.01g scale for twelve bucks :? But I guess you can convert imperial into metric, so good to go? :?:
2. The scale was really old. Like, really really old. And definitely not accurate. Well that sucks but I guess if it measures everyone's inaccurately it's fine? :(
3. It measured in pounds. Woah that's a red flag there! :shock:
4. It's capacity was 60 pounds. WTF how do you even measure something so light on a scale meant to measure 60 pounds!!!!!!! :shock: :shock:

Yeah so basically they used the same scale to weigh the sand AND the boomilevers. Even the heaviest ones (like over 100 grams) weren't really registering on the scale. So anything below 1/8" of a pound (about 57 grams) they guessed... Last year they used triple beam balances that measured to the gram, so I did account for the fact that they'd probably mess up the weight of the boom by a bit, and built my states boomilever to go for load instead of weight. It weighed 9.78 grams, but they measured it as 24. Of course, I appealed and argued with them (our parents and coaches did too), and they finally lowered my weight to 22.5g... over 2 times the actual weight. Basically they recorded approx. 735, which was less than half of my actual efficiency (1473). Luckily I still won first by a pretty big margin :) If this was the bomb that prevented us from going to nats, I would have - actually I don't know what I would have done, but probably something stupid lol.

They also measured our high school's boomilever at 1/24 of an ounce (like 2 grams), when it actually weighed 13g. Of course with a recorded efficiency of about 5000, our HS won first.

:shock: :shock: holy crap it really isnt that hard to buy a scale (i found a mediocre one on amazon for $2...)
and even if they're gonna estimate, an attempt should be made to get a good estimate that isn't >10 grams off
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby SilentBreeze05 » April 6th, 2019, 2:09 pm

Part of the ERAU Regional test for Potion and Poison was about animals and plants that were from last year.I asked the supervisor for the category if the animals were supposed to be on the test (since they're last years organism and not this year.) She responded in a very rude tone and said something along the lines of "The organism listed on the test don't matter since they're poisonous and have a toxic.Even though they aren't on the rule sheet you're supposed to know these." She ended up getting really sassy with me because I corrected her, and told her that the organism on the test weren't on the rule sheet.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Things2do » April 6th, 2019, 6:20 pm

SilentBreeze05 wrote:Part of the ERAU Regional test for Potion and Poison was about animals and plants that were from last year.I asked the supervisor for the category if the animals were supposed to be on the test (since they're last years organism and not this year.) She responded in a very rude tone and said something along the lines of "The organism listed on the test don't matter since they're poisonous and have a toxic.Even though they aren't on the rule sheet you're supposed to know these." She ended up getting really sassy with me because I corrected her, and told her that the organism on the test weren't on the rule sheet.

That reminds me of two years ago at State when Scrambler was held in a hallway, which was wide enough, that had a floor that was rougher than a textured ceiling... Although they had a practice track you could use downstairs, on a nice, smooth tile floor...
I was informed that "Well, the rules don't always apply."... Five cars had wheels wide enough to not be affected, and the rest of us had CDs. I would've probably won or gotten second if they'd used the tile floor. I was <1 cm from the wall at Regions, and I was doing that consistently on the practice track, which was the same distance as the actual track. My coaches knew it was bad, but it was the next Tuesday at the meeting before they realized how bad it was.
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Re: Poorly Run Event Stories

Postby Birdmusic » April 6th, 2019, 9:22 pm

ES asked our time slot (first one) what tuner to download... at States.

Also didn't actually measure one meter, just guessed and put a tape there so ig fair for everyone?

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