Experimental Design B/C

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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by gandhiji » May 24th, 2010, 9:10 am

i got 1st place in the B division for this event, and i really dont know how.

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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by zyzzyva980 » May 24th, 2010, 11:02 am

It's quite honestly nuts that they would use nuts in this event.

That's putting some teams at an unfair advantage over teams with people with allergies. And while it sounds like a cool experiment, making the experiment fun should come second to safety.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by tclme elmo » May 24th, 2010, 12:48 pm

rfscoach wrote:
eyeball138 wrote:We wound up getting 17th, which is fine, but I have to say that that test was not good. They gave us a jar of iodine and 5 snack foods, and we watched the snack foods change color. On paper this sounds ok, but it was not. They gave us peanuts as a snack food, and one person who had an allergy was forced to leave. I just don't understand how nuts could be used ever in this event,especially at nationals.
It was one of our Fulton Science students who had to leave. We coaches and parents were livid when we found out. His parents take so many precautions to keep him safe and then the one place that you wouldn't think would be a danger he is confronted with peanuts. He had to go into another room while our other 2 students did the experiment, then they were sent into the room he was in to do the write up, never mind that they still could have had peanut residue on their clothes... incredibly, amazing stupid, thoughtless, careless and dangerous. And no mention by the event supervisor that they would be using nuts at the coaches meeting the night before.
It was a horrible decision on their part, having peanuts in an experiment should not even be THOUGHT of. There is bound to be SOMEONE who is allergic.
I also heard that this student was the one who was in charge of the observations, which did not help. The experiment was VERY unfair. I don't believe an arbitrary was made?
I felt horrible.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by rfscoach » May 24th, 2010, 3:08 pm

tclme elmo wrote:
rfscoach wrote:
eyeball138 wrote:We wound up getting 17th, which is fine, but I have to say that that test was not good. They gave us a jar of iodine and 5 snack foods, and we watched the snack foods change color. On paper this sounds ok, but it was not. They gave us peanuts as a snack food, and one person who had an allergy was forced to leave. I just don't understand how nuts could be used ever in this event,especially at nationals.
It was one of our Fulton Science students who had to leave. We coaches and parents were livid when we found out. His parents take so many precautions to keep him safe and then the one place that you wouldn't think would be a danger he is confronted with peanuts. He had to go into another room while our other 2 students did the experiment, then they were sent into the room he was in to do the write up, never mind that they still could have had peanut residue on their clothes... incredibly, amazing stupid, thoughtless, careless and dangerous. And no mention by the event supervisor that they would be using nuts at the coaches meeting the night before.
It was a horrible decision on their part, having peanuts in an experiment should not even be THOUGHT of. There is bound to be SOMEONE who is allergic.
I also heard that this student was the one who was in charge of the observations, which did not help. The experiment was VERY unfair. I don't believe an arbitrary was made?
I felt horrible.
Ya, I don't believe the complaint ever got filed. It totally got lost in the shuffle especially since shortly after that one of our other students broke his arm and needed emergency care and we had to find replacements for his events....
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by tclme elmo » May 24th, 2010, 6:27 pm

rfscoach wrote:
tclme elmo wrote:
rfscoach wrote:It was one of our Fulton Science students who had to leave. We coaches and parents were livid when we found out. His parents take so many precautions to keep him safe and then the one place that you wouldn't think would be a danger he is confronted with peanuts. He had to go into another room while our other 2 students did the experiment, then they were sent into the room he was in to do the write up, never mind that they still could have had peanut residue on their clothes... incredibly, amazing stupid, thoughtless, careless and dangerous. And no mention by the event supervisor that they would be using nuts at the coaches meeting the night before.
It was a horrible decision on their part, having peanuts in an experiment should not even be THOUGHT of. There is bound to be SOMEONE who is allergic.
I also heard that this student was the one who was in charge of the observations, which did not help. The experiment was VERY unfair. I don't believe an arbitrary was made?
I felt horrible.
Ya, I don't believe the complaint ever got filed. It totally got lost in the shuffle especially since shortly after that one of our other students broke his arm and needed emergency care and we had to find replacements for his events....
Ouch! That stinks! I'm so sorry!
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by zyzzyva980 » May 24th, 2010, 6:39 pm

That's just bad luck. Some things you just can't control. Better luck next year.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by bubblebrian » May 24th, 2010, 7:12 pm

eyeball138 wrote:We wound up getting 17th, which is fine, but I have to say that that test was not good. They gave us a jar of iodine and 5 snack foods, and we watched the snack foods change color. On paper this sounds ok, but it was not. They gave us peanuts as a snack food, and one person who had an allergy was forced to leave. I just don't understand how nuts could be used ever in this event,especially at nationals.
oh I got 18th, just behind you :o
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by lllazar » May 31st, 2010, 6:36 pm

Wow, nuts? This wasn't a regional competition, it's the national tournament...and don't they have coach meetings the day before to see how all the events are being run?

Either way, that's completely preposterous, those supervisors should be ashamed...those kids practice so much for this and look forward to competing at nats...seriously, how can they make a mistake like this...nut allergies aren't exactly 1 in a million, and im pretty sure they plan events weeks or even months in advance...they had plenty of time to work out the kinks.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by Phenylethylamine » June 1st, 2010, 4:08 pm

lllazar wrote:Wow, nuts? This wasn't a regional competition, it's the national tournament...and don't they have coach meetings the day before to see how all the events are being run?

Either way, that's completely preposterous, those supervisors should be ashamed...those kids practice so much for this and look forward to competing at nats...seriously, how can they make a mistake like this...nut allergies aren't exactly 1 in a million, and im pretty sure they plan events weeks or even months in advance...they had plenty of time to work out the kinks.
Last year's B Division Experimental event was poorly run, too, but not on anywhere near so dangerous a scale (although I heard that last year's big issue- that is, shortage of paper- was repeated this year, as well).
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Post by zyzzyva980 » June 1st, 2010, 6:40 pm

Shortage of paper? This is a national tournament! There are scholarships on the line! These events MUST be better run.
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