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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 8th, 2010, 5:37 pm

Thanks for explaining that, but to me they need to change the wording of that part, yes we know how the national people want to have the rule but that doesn't mean that this will be the case at States and may vary region by region.

This event has been quite a surprise with the progression of times/ improvement. The really early post had times of 30+ seconds for some then as this season has went on times have been cut in half. Has anyone else made that observation? Theoretically my new vehicle should be around 33% of the original time of my first vehicle! I wish that I could do this event next year I got a few ideas of how to improve my design [too late to change the design this late]. What does anyone think the winning score at Nationals? to me the winner would be >10seconds and distance of >1cm.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby OlympiadLover » April 11th, 2010, 4:50 pm

For those of you who are advancing, how fast are your cars?
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 12th, 2010, 11:56 am

OlympiadLover wrote:For those of you who are advancing, how fast are your cars?



depends on the area and amount of compaction. For me I had a vehicle of 22 seconds at Regional’s others regional’s had ones that traveled much faster than that. The range from what I know is between 10 - 30 seconds for the vehicles for this year.

This is old news but I finally got news from the National people asking if one student can be each side of the track [7m & starting line] their response was no that can’t happen. I want to be respectful about this but the reason why they gave me was not even in the rules, I have a feeling that there will be a change next year to allow for an area to have students view the run from.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby penclspinner » April 12th, 2010, 1:17 pm

packer-backer91 wrote:
OlympiadLover wrote:For those of you who are advancing, how fast are your cars?



depends on the area and amount of compaction. For me I had a vehicle of 22 seconds at Regional’s others regional’s had ones that traveled much faster than that. The range from what I know is between 10 - 30 seconds for the vehicles for this year.

This is old news but I finally got news from the National people asking if one student can be each side of the track [7m & starting line] their response was no that can’t happen. I want to be respectful about this but the reason why they gave me was not even in the rules, I have a feeling that there will be a change next year to allow for an area to have students view the run from.


You have a feeling? o_O

Well good luck with that feeling. I know that I've wanted certain rules to change in the past but nothing has altered unless it was National Clarification level issues or at the very least National FAQ level.

The next best thing would just be to talk to your regional and state directors and ask them if their event supervisors would let you view the mousetrap from the 7-8 meter line.

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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 12th, 2010, 3:52 pm

Well 4 weeks for a simple no doesn't sound right. Another poster submitted a clarification for this event a few weeks after me and got an answer before me. I asked something that the rules don’t say you cant so It makes me believe that they put some thought on the event's rules, giving my "the feeling" that they might take what I said and modify the rules next year. The question I asked was good, I pointed out why the existing rule was flawed.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby penclspinner » April 12th, 2010, 4:30 pm

packer-backer91 wrote:Well 4 weeks for a simple no doesn't sound right. Another poster submitted a clarification for this event a few weeks after me and got an answer before me. I asked something that the rules don’t say you cant so It makes me believe that they put some thought on the event's rules, giving my "the feeling" that they might take what I said and modify the rules next year. The question I asked was good, I pointed out why the existing rule was flawed.


Yeah you're right, I stand corrected maybe they did take some time aside in order to re-consider. Maybe they will change the rules for next year.

We'll see what happens...

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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby beaverkid » April 12th, 2010, 4:38 pm

penclspinner wrote:
packer-backer91 wrote:Well 4 weeks for a simple no doesn't sound right. Another poster submitted a clarification for this event a few weeks after me and got an answer before me. I asked something that the rules don’t say you cant so It makes me believe that they put some thought on the event's rules, giving my "the feeling" that they might take what I said and modify the rules next year. The question I asked was good, I pointed out why the existing rule was flawed.


Yeah you're right, I stand corrected maybe they did take some time aside in order to re-consider. Maybe they will change the rules for next year.

We'll see what happens...


Ya, given that the answer this year is no, maybe they'll change the rules next year so it will state explicitly that students can only be on the starting line side of the track. Maybe you are confusing the Junkyard rules with the rules for the rest of the 45 events.....I've heard that for Junkyard in the past, whatever isn't explicitly prohibited in the rules is allowed.

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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 12th, 2010, 5:41 pm

beaverkid wrote:Ya, given that the answer this year is no, maybe they'll change the rules next year so it will state explicitly that students can only be on the starting line side of the track. Maybe you are confusing the Junkyard rules with the rules for the rest of the 45 events.....I've heard that for Junkyard in the past, whatever isn't explicitly prohibited in the rules is allowed.



I don’t know that you mean by that but, in the rules should have all necessary information to complete an event. If the rules do not cover saying that doing something is illegal or can’t be done then it must be said in the rules. I’m just saying in the response which I got is correct and I respect their decision, but citing rules that are not on the rule sheet confused me for a while. One possibility for the response I got would be the fact that it’s too late to switch the way the event is run now that this year is over for majority of the teams.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby beaverkid » April 14th, 2010, 7:22 am

packer-backer91 wrote:
beaverkid wrote:Ya, given that the answer this year is no, maybe they'll change the rules next year so it will state explicitly that students can only be on the starting line side of the track. Maybe you are confusing the Junkyard rules with the rules for the rest of the 45 events.....I've heard that for Junkyard in the past, whatever isn't explicitly prohibited in the rules is allowed.



I don’t know that you mean by that but, in the rules should have all necessary information to complete an event. If the rules do not cover saying that doing something is illegal or can’t be done then it must be said in the rules. I’m just saying in the response which I got is correct and I respect their decision, but citing rules that are not on the rule sheet confused me for a while. One possibility for the response I got would be the fact that it’s too late to switch the way the event is run now that this year is over for majority of the teams.


The rules don't say you can't have your pet mouse sitting on your mousetrap vehicle...........

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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 14th, 2010, 11:33 am

beaverkid wrote:
The rules don't say you can't have your pet mouse sitting on your mousetrap vehicle...........


actually it kind of does "things may be added but not taken away" that means yes you could have a pet mouse on the vehicle, not recommended but the rules do support that :lol:
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby fleet130 » April 14th, 2010, 3:02 pm

The GENERAL RULES, which apply to all events say:

2. Unless otherwise stated, it is generally understood that if notes, resources, calculators, actions etc., are not excluded, then they are permitted unless they violate the spirit of the problem.


This means that you can do anything UNLESS it:

    1. is specifically prohibited by the rules
    2. violates the spirit of the competition
    3. presents a safety hazard
    4. provides an unfair advantage.

Tournament organizers agree to follow the rules at published and clarified by the national organization. Unfortunately there are times when they don't. In some cases, the tournament doesn't have the necessary facilities/resources needed to follow the rules, in others they misinterpret what the rules say, and sometimes they disregard the rules because they disagree with what they say.

Interpreting rules is colored by an individuals knowledge and past experiences. It's common for rule-writers to understate what they want simply because they know what they mean to say. Others who have not had the same conversations/experiences can easily arrive at a completely different interpretation than what was intended.

Many problems are a result of language. Words have varied and often abstract meanings that can lead to misunderstanding. Often the insertion (or omission) of a comma can drastically change the meaning of a sentence.

I could go on to give several other examples of how the rules are interpreted differently, but the point is: The only sure way to know how the rules will be applied is to ask the person who will be interpreting them for YOUR competition.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby wexs883198215 » April 18th, 2010, 8:59 am

I don't do building events in general, so I figured I'd get the expertise of some of the people on this board.

What happens if a team forgets to go to impound for Mousetrap Vehicle but still has a device? Do you get Tier 2-ed? Tier 3-ed? No-showed? Disqualified?
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby fleet130 » April 18th, 2010, 10:49 am

What happens if a team forgets to go to impound for Mousetrap Vehicle but still has a device? Do you get Tier 2-ed? Tier 3-ed? No-showed? Disqualified?
See the last paragraph of my post above.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby packer-backer91 » April 18th, 2010, 6:39 pm

fleet130 wrote:
What happens if a team forgets to go to impound for Mousetrap Vehicle but still has a device? Do you get Tier 2-ed? Tier 3-ed? No-showed? Disqualified?
See the last paragraph of my post above.



I agree it does vary by state, in Michigan [State] if you don’t show up to impound or run the event it’s a no show. A few years ago a team got a now show in scrambler because they stopped to give someone first aid, even with that as their reason they didn't let they run the event.
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Re: Mousetrap Vehicle C

Postby wexs883198215 » April 19th, 2010, 5:19 am

Well it's a NS if they don't run it, but what if they allowed us to run after missing impound?
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