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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by amerikestrel » November 2nd, 2009, 4:45 am

That makes sense. If we were allowed to put paper into the field guide, then that would be like an extention of the notes.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by Flavorflav » November 2nd, 2009, 6:50 am

Paradox21 wrote:
Celeste wrote:
Deeisenberg wrote:I have had my clarification answered.

You may alter the book only in the following ways:
Written Notes
Drawings
Tabs

NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES!
I've read all of the posts, and the closest I found to answering my question was this. It still doesn't say whether we can write on post-its and then stick them into the field guide, and neither does any other post I found. I don't want to write in the field guide I have right now, because I'm borrowing it from someone, and others might have this problem if they get their guides from the library or something. I suppose I could just have a lot of "tabs" with notes that I could just stick on random pages...
You CAN NOT just add sheets of handwritten notes into your field guide. When Deeisenberg says NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES! that means you may ONLY write in the guide, draw in the guide, and tab the guide. You can not add sheets of paper or post it notes.
But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?

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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by amerikestrel » November 2nd, 2009, 2:59 pm

Flavorflav wrote: But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?
No, apparently not.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by sewforlife » November 2nd, 2009, 3:03 pm

amerikestrel wrote:A great resource is Frank B. Gill's ornithology textbook. You can order in from Amazon if your willing to spend some money (http://www.amazon.com/Ornithology-Frank ... 0716724154), or you can use the preview on Google Books.

On a separate topic, what is the difference between a bill and a beak? The ornithology powerpoint said that a beak can only refer to the "hooked bill of a hawk or parrot", while a bill is more general. Everywhere else, I have read that the two terms are more or less interchangeable. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
I have a feeling the "beak" is for hooked bills as you said, and bills can refer to ducks and geese etc.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by sewforlife » November 2nd, 2009, 3:07 pm

amerikestrel wrote:That makes sense. If we were allowed to put paper into the field guide, then that would be like an extention of the notes.
yeah. that's why they give us a note sheet.
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Paradox21 wrote:You may create one cheat sheet with notes of any form from any source (typed, handwritten, copied directly from a text book, etc.), you may tab and handwrite in 1 field guide (2 for nationals), you may handwrite on the tabs (but that won't help much because tabs are not post-it sized but instead a small flap or strip of material attached to something, for identification and information.), you may bring one copy of the Official National Bird List and you are free to write handwritten notes on it.
Note: All of this information comes from the 6 FAQs I have submitted through SOinc for Ornithology.
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The only tabs that I have are red, so I wrote a letter on them to help me remember what section of my field guide they are marking. For example, I wrote O on the tab that indicates the pages for owls. Now I have to memorize all of the letters. :(
why don't u just number the bird list and put numbers on the tabs?
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by Celeste » November 2nd, 2009, 3:54 pm

Paradox21 wrote:
Celeste wrote:
Deeisenberg wrote:I have had my clarification answered.

You may alter the book only in the following ways:
Written Notes
Drawings
Tabs

NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES!
I've read all of the posts, and the closest I found to answering my question was this. It still doesn't say whether we can write on post-its and then stick them into the field guide, and neither does any other post I found. I don't want to write in the field guide I have right now, because I'm borrowing it from someone, and others might have this problem if they get their guides from the library or something. I suppose I could just have a lot of "tabs" with notes that I could just stick on random pages...
You CAN NOT just add sheets of handwritten notes into your field guide. When Deeisenberg says NOTHING ELSE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BIRD FIELD GUIDES! that means you may ONLY write in the guide, draw in the guide, and tab the guide. You can not add sheets of paper or post it notes.
Thanks a lot for the clarification. I just didn't know what was encompassed under "Written Notes". :D
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by Paradox21 » November 2nd, 2009, 6:22 pm

Flavorflav wrote: But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?
The word for word response I got to my rules clarification as to whether we can write on the tabs of the guide was, "Yes, but there will not be a lot of room to write on them, tabs are small,
not post it size."
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by Flavorflav » November 2nd, 2009, 6:47 pm

Paradox21 wrote:
Flavorflav wrote: But can't you tab with post-its? And can't you then write on the post-its?
The word for word response I got to my rules clarification as to whether we can write on the tabs of the guide was, "Yes, but there will not be a lot of room to write on them, tabs are small,
not post it size."
Personally, I find that beyond absurd. What possible purpose is served by making the student write in the book itself, as opposed to on a post-it which can be removed - other than defacing the book, that is? Are they getting kickbacks from Peterson's or something?

I will be contacting the people running the regional to see if they will be enforcing this ridiculous rule there, and will do the same for the state competition.

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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by amerikestrel » November 2nd, 2009, 7:08 pm

Flavorflav wrote: I will be contacting the people running the regional to see if they will be enforcing this ridiculous rule there, and will do the same for the state competition.
Wow, you're really dedicated. I don't really mind that rule; a two sided page of notes is enough for me.

Edit: I'd like to post a video on here, even though the link is also on the SO website. It's very interesting and meaningful.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Post by twmurphso » November 3rd, 2009, 1:59 pm

My state has a reduced bird list, but im not sure if itz allowed bcuz the rules say ur only allowed to bring in a copy of the National List. Does tat really matter?

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