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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby paleonaps » May 31st, 2010, 7:56 am

Yeah, but if you write in the guide it almost becomes a binder, so they should just cut out the middleman and give us binders.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Paradox21 » May 31st, 2010, 10:13 am

I wonder if the national test writer felt limited on how difficult they could write the test because we don't have binders. It seemed like the vast majority of the info was in my field guide before I had even written anything in.
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Postby sciencegeek100 » June 9th, 2010, 10:25 pm

paleonaps95 wrote:Yeah, but if you write in the guide it almost becomes a binder, so they should just cut out the middleman and give us binders.


i dont want binders, w/o them, it lets the teams that actually know stuff win instead of who can look up all answers the fastest, and dont say the list is too long, cauz besides females, the birds all look completely different, and if they wanted it to be realistic i think the ppt should have the bird picture moving constantly and if u really know the calls u dont need more then 10 seconds for any of them except maybe to tell mockingbird/cardinal/brown thrasher apart
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Postby fossilgirl13 » June 20th, 2010, 3:32 pm

My team only has one coach, and it seems to me that all the teams that place well and advance to higher levels have M0RE THAN ONE COACH. My team only has one coach and I she can't provide for each and every event because there is only one of her and 18 of us (including subs) and 23 events. I was wondering who these extra coaches are (I mean, does the school hire them from outside the school or are they just other teachers) and if you're on a team like I've mentioned, does this work for you (from what I've seen, it appears to work)? I'm not trying to steal secrets or anything like that, I just really want to know how to improve my team (a lot of them are really down after we didn't do so well at states).
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Celeste » June 20th, 2010, 4:42 pm

fossilgirl13 wrote:My team only has one coach, and it seems to me that all the teams that place well and advance to higher levels have M0RE THAN ONE COACH. My team only has one coach and I she can't provide for each and every event because there is only one of her and 18 of us (including subs) and 23 events. I was wondering who these extra coaches are (I mean, does the school hire them from outside the school or are they just other teachers) and if you're on a team like I've mentioned, does this work for you (from what I've seen, it appears to work)? I'm not trying to steal secrets or anything like that, I just really want to know how to improve my team (a lot of them are really down after we didn't do so well at states).
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We have one coach, one of the science teachers at our school, but lots of other people who help out. Many of the other teachers help us organize and find resources. Student teachers also help us out a lot, and so do graduates who used to be on the team. However, this doesn't seem to be very ornithology related, maybe you should ask in general chat or something if you want more feedback.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby soobsession » June 25th, 2010, 12:51 pm

Celeste wrote:
fossilgirl13 wrote:My team only has one coach, and it seems to me that all the teams that place well and advance to higher levels have M0RE THAN ONE COACH. My team only has one coach and I she can't provide for each and every event because there is only one of her and 18 of us (including subs) and 23 events. I was wondering who these extra coaches are (I mean, does the school hire them from outside the school or are they just other teachers) and if you're on a team like I've mentioned, does this work for you (from what I've seen, it appears to work)? I'm not trying to steal secrets or anything like that, I just really want to know how to improve my team (a lot of them are really down after we didn't do so well at states).
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 :D :D

We have one coach, one of the science teachers at our school, but lots of other people who help out. Many of the other teachers help us organize and find resources. Student teachers also help us out a lot, and so do graduates who used to be on the team. However, this doesn't seem to be very ornithology related, maybe you should ask in general chat or something if you want more feedback.


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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Chikuwa » June 28th, 2010, 8:10 am

So, I'm doing this event for the first time in the 2010-2011 season (haha, this sounds like I'm talking about sports...). I've read through this entire topic, and I haven't found an answer to this question: what types of calls will we be tested on? Must we know both female and male call, mating call, etc? If it is completely open as to what type, as some people have suggested, could anyone tell me what type they have been tested on in the past?

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Postby Paradox21 » June 28th, 2010, 9:56 am

The rules do not specify what types of calls can be used, therefore any call is fair game.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Chikuwa » June 28th, 2010, 12:31 pm

Thanks. Do you have any experience on which calls are more commonly used? Or is there no real pattern?

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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby paleonaps » June 28th, 2010, 4:13 pm

Usually, the call that is most common is used. From my experience.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Katherine » June 29th, 2010, 5:55 am

I just did ornithology for the first time this year. Does anybody know if they change the bird lists significantly from year to year?

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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby paleonaps » June 29th, 2010, 6:43 am

I believe this was addressed earlier in the thread, but no. I believe it was was Paradox21 who posted a list from three years ago, and it was very similar. Similar, but somewhat different at the same time.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Celeste » June 29th, 2010, 8:48 am

I think that most of the list will stay somewhat the same. They probably have a 'core' list that is used every time, with like more well-known birds, and then change some of the lesser known birds around each time. I mean, they'll probably keep birds like the red-tailed hawk or american robin that are more well known, because it would be easier for students and test-writers to find information on them. Plus, ones that are more commonly found in the U.S., like ones you could easily see out your window, kind of connects it to real life for us. So I think the kind of 'core' will stay and others will be added or removed.
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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Katherine » June 29th, 2010, 9:47 am

Thanks for the info. That's what I thought, I just confirmed it.

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Re: Ornithology B/C

Postby Paradox21 » June 29th, 2010, 10:01 am

Yeah, the bird list typically includes really common or important birds of North America, so that will not change too much.
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