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Re: New York 2010

Postby quizbowl » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:11 pm

besides this random gibberjabber coming from WM, does anyone even think that any other team has even a chance?
we should just give them byes and let everyone else compete for a spot.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby ZekeBud » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:30 pm

As a three-time state competitor in Division C, I never made it past West Point and got to Nationals. But you know what? I'm really okay with that. Besides the "blah blah blah spirit of Science Olympiad" thing, I think it's also a spirit of competition that needs to kick in.

So another team beat you. Guess what: that means that they worked really hard and put in countless hours of time and love (maybe even blood and sweat) into their events. How can you not respect that kind of dedication? My team never made it past 11th place when I was there - but I think that's what made me work harder in my junior in senior years. I wanted to push us further. I didn't care if that meant Nationals or 10th place, it's in the idea that I also wanted to be counted as an elite competitor.

Honestly, it shouldn't matter how many teams we can send. I think that beyond getting all the important learning stuff out of Science Olympiad, you should also be pushed by the actions of others. If that means a mindset of "let's try to beat FM in something" that may be all it takes. But remember, keep that in a spirit of respect and not of hate/jealousy.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby eta150 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:00 pm

ZekeBud wrote:So another team beat you. Guess what: that means that they worked really hard and put in countless hours of time and love (maybe even blood and sweat) into their events.

Coming from a balsa builder (planes and bridges) I can vouch for the blood part.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby gneissisnice » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:23 pm

quizbowl13 wrote:besides this random gibberjabber coming from WM, does anyone even think that any other team has even a chance?
we should just give them byes and let everyone else compete for a spot.


Well, our gibberjabber does have a point. We've been doing better each year, but that doesn't mean we're the only ones improving. Any team has the potential to improve enough to make it to Nats.

Take our jr. high schools for example. Way back when, Murphy was the top competitor and Gelinas wasn't so great. But then Murphy lost their coach and Gelinas got a great one and then for a bit, Gelinas was getting 1st and 2nd in the state and Murphy was getting in the 40s. And now Murphy has been trying really hard and they've been coming to Gelinas practices, as well as their own. In 3 years, they went from 30-something to 3rd at States.

So you never know exactly what might happen. Even Spackenkill, who had a history of doing extremely well at states, suddenly got 15th.
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Dynamic: 1st @ reg. 19thish @ states, 18th @ nats
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Re: New York 2010

Postby Phenylethylamine » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:52 pm

gneissisnice wrote:So you never know exactly what might happen. Even Spackenkill, who had a history of doing extremely well at states, suddenly got 15th.

And then came back and got, what, third this year? Something in the top five, at least. Point being, there's no guarantee that a good year will be followed by another good year, or a bad year will be followed by another bad year.

Work your butts off. Or rather, work your social lives off. That's what we do (actually, I usually just ignore my actual school homework in favor of studying for SciO. My science teachers are usually only a little miffed by this, but my English/history teachers tend to be less than pleased :-P ). Our team has enough crazy fun on the Nationals trip alone to make up for turning down invitations to hang out for most of the school year xD.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby quizbowl » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:03 pm

yea, i guess so. i hope i can medal at states for the first time next year, i was so close.. :(
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Re: New York 2010

Postby paleonaps » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:25 pm

It's a really good feeling to medal at States.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby quizbowl » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:56 pm

It's probably better to medal, or even win, at nationals
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Re: New York 2010

Postby paleonaps » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:29 am

Oh, that feels much better. Trust me.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby gneissisnice » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:56 am

paleonaps95 wrote:Oh, that feels much better. Trust me.


Naps, please refrain from acting like a jerk on the forums.
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Dynamic: 1st @ reg. 19thish @ states, 18th @ nats
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Re: New York 2010

Postby HappySciencePie » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:57 am

Seriously, this is the Internet. *Smack* D:

See, I think the reason why it feels nice to medal at Nationals is because a lot of the time, it's really a surprise. You know that any other team has the potential to medal, so you really can't go into competition expecting to.
Honestly, though, going to Nationals came off as a surprise to me this year. I kind of thought we wouldn't make the top 2 at States. We had a few problems before, and we lost a lot of our privileges. We were really lucky, no major disasters.

Just think of it this way: Even if you don't ever end up doing as well as you'd like while you're in Science Olympiad, just keep trying to get better. You're building the foundation for your team's future. Many of the people in WM (and Gneissisnice) who graduated from Gelinas came down here, and helped us out a lot. We probably couldn't have done as well as we did this year without them. :]
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Re: New York 2010

Postby paleonaps » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:01 pm

I'm sorry for acting like a jerk. I didn't want to be one, but I guess that's how I sounded.
HSP is right though; we couldn't have done so well without you guys. And about the whole medal thing, she's right. It's the surprise that gets you.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby quizbowl » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:22 pm

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quizbowl13 wrote:i understand, but look - F-M has won for the past 10 years, i think. its nearly impossible, if not completely impossible, for them to NOT make it. and w-m is getting stronger than ever; they even challenged F-m this year. if you look at the scores, 2nd and 3rd was close to 150 points difference. since new york is the largest state, i think that we need to have the ability to send on a 3rd team. that would be much less of a downer for the other teams out here.

While in some ways that would make sense, the Nationals Qualification discussion in the Nationals section has basically concluded that the number of teams sent isn't likely to change any time soon. Thank you for saying that about WM; we try :D but seriously, with a whole lot of work, there's no reason why any team couldn't eventually make it to that level. It might take a few years, but a strong program built over time really works. The main reason WM does as well as we do is huge amounts of support from the Gelinas coaches, parents, etc. Our program at WM itself has its strengths, but the Gelinas SciO program is integral to our success (such as it is). Dedicated coaches and parents make a huge difference- both because of their own input and because they encourage dedicated kids.

I wish we could be in your team's situation - basically our team is completely student run. We do have a coach, but he doesn't really help out in any events. No parents have ever helped, and our school almost canceled our trip to regionals cause they favor Forensics ( the cult-club, not the event ) over us. Like they don't let us take a trip to Pennsylvania for an invitational but let them go to nationals in Omaha even when only one person was actually competing. We, the students, are our only resources, and since a lot of science teachers are annoyed with our coach, we often aren't even allowed to borrow textbooks and resources. I'm still pretty surprised that we, solely students, can manage 9 medals and 5th place at states. If we had some aid, we could be a real threat.
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Re: New York 2010

Postby tclme elmo » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:43 pm

quizbowl13 wrote:It's probably better to medal, or even win, at nationals

It feels good to win a medal no matter what. Even at regionals...
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Re: New York 2010

Postby Phenylethylamine » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:04 am

quizbowl13 wrote:I wish we could be in your team's situation - basically our team is completely student run. We do have a coach, but he doesn't really help out in any events. No parents have ever helped, and our school almost canceled our trip to regionals cause they favor Forensics ( the cult-club, not the event ) over us. Like they don't let us take a trip to Pennsylvania for an invitational but let them go to nationals in Omaha even when only one person was actually competing. We, the students, are our only resources, and since a lot of science teachers are annoyed with our coach, we often aren't even allowed to borrow textbooks and resources. I'm still pretty surprised that we, solely students, can manage 9 medals and 5th place at states. If we had some aid, we could be a real threat.

That sucks. If it weren't for the Gelinas program, we would be in a very similar situation (the WM head coach is... uh... less than fully dedicated, shall we say). Hopefully your situation will improve, but it's great that the SciO students are your school are motivated enough to manage that impressive finish :D That's amazing for a team that has no adult support.
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