Indiana Science Olympiad

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby E Edgar » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:25 pm

emd19 wrote:I just found out that in Indiana, all B teams can bring binders. This is on the Indiana Sc.Olypd. website.Why isn't this happening in PA. It would really help for ornithology and other events. You Indiana People are so lucky.


Well, it's a double-edged sword. It makes people less prepared for nationals where a binder isn't allowed and it leads to confusion at competitions when people who haven't read the rules complain.
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Astronomy: 2nd
Physics Lab: 2nd
Technical Problem Solving: 6th
Fossils: 8th

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby cassie_alderink » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:56 pm

[quote="Uncle Fester"]And Uncle Fester too. :)[/quote]
um.how bout not. you didnt even compete. you are in charge
of JYC......and do a nice job as well. HA

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby sciolyandmathcounts » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:43 pm

Binders are only really necessary for Ornithology and Fossils. Other than that, it's kind of unfair.
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Shock Value
Experimental Design
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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby E Edgar » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:09 am

sciolyandmathcounts wrote:Binders are only really necessary for Ornithology and Fossils. Other than that, it's kind of unfair.


Don't forget Astronomy...
My 2010 National Results
Astronomy: 2nd
Physics Lab: 2nd
Technical Problem Solving: 6th
Fossils: 8th

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby peoneill » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:32 pm

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the day they had to compete in Amphibians and Reptiles and Rocks and Minerals (very similar to Ornithology/Fossils) without ANY resources. I think that was cooler. My friend Muchu who is a PhD student in animal behavior/ecology now give give seemingly hundreds of details on EVERY species (he was 1st in state both years it was an event and won a medal at nationals). I think they did get a binder for Rocks and Minerals starting my junior year maybe... We always used to get a binder for ROAD SCHOLAR - which was the dumbest thing ever. My partner and I would just go in without any notes and we won state a couple of times. I mean, I don't even know what on Earth people HAD in those binders, you know? We saw teams with binders. Some of the other strong teams had TONS of resources (it was totally unlimited). I'm glad they dumped that event from C div even if it was one of my own.

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby E Edgar » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:53 pm

I think it might be worthwhile to limit resources in Herpetology. However, I would not like to go into a rocks and minerals competition without a binder. There are a huge number of things (locations were samples can be found, uses of each rock/mineral, crystal structures, relative hardness,...) that would be horrible (and a pointless waste of time) to memorize.
My 2010 National Results
Astronomy: 2nd
Physics Lab: 2nd
Technical Problem Solving: 6th
Fossils: 8th

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby sciolyandmathcounts » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:28 pm

I feel sorry for the pair on Microbe Mission. They updated the state rules saying you could have a binder the day before the competition at 7:00. Since our school is far away from Bloomington, we didn't know until we were already there.
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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby dickyjones » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:01 pm

I was a supervisor for Microbe Mission. There was no where in the state rules or clarifications that said you could bring a binder or a reference sheet (unless I missed something).

In fact the state website says:
Question: Are binders allowed for the trial events?
Answer: No, the only trial that allows reference materials of any kind is Protein Modeling. We will adhere to the official rules for Protein Modeling and only allow ten double-sided, 8.5”x11” pages of materials.


The teams that brought either were not allowed to use them. I believe teams following the national rules were the ones who were confused.

And of binders being allowed, I think it's a far more fulfilling experience than filling out a piece of paper. And the skills gained are worthwhile even to individuals who won't pursue science after high school. However, I think the rules for "Entomology" and maybe Fossils now were the best. A 1" binder that fit in a 1.5" thick box was allowed, and I can tell you that it definitely made you think more about organization and what to use the space for. As in these events, the most time-consuming portion is doing tons of research online and in libraries; I see no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to bring that information with you. However, in events that are mainly answer questions applying a few concepts (Chem Lab, Enviro Chem, Ecology, Circuit Lab, Cell Bio, Disease...), I see no reason that even one sheet of paper should be allowed (or how it would even help if the test is written right). I am fine with events like Astronomy getting all the resources they want since they involve both a great number of research as well as tons of application and calculation. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby E Edgar » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:22 pm

Two things.

First of all, it's only a few short weeks until nationals. Good luck to every team that has qualified (BHSS, BHSN, TJ, WWMS) and let's try to get as many Indiana schools in the top ten as possible.

Second, I've noticed that many of the more competitive states have their state competitions much later than the Indiana one. I wonder if a later state tournament date helps those teams that go to nationals to carry their momentum from state over to the national tournament. It might also give teams more time to improve from regionals. What do you guys think?
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Astronomy: 2nd
Physics Lab: 2nd
Technical Problem Solving: 6th
Fossils: 8th

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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby sciolyandmathcounts » Wed May 05, 2010 9:05 pm

I like the early state tournament because it gives plenty of time for nats preparation
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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby Friedoyster3 » Mon May 24, 2010 2:15 am

congradulations to the teams who competed at the national tournament last weekend
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Re: Indiana Science Olympiad

Postby E Edgar » Mon May 24, 2010 2:20 am

Well, my 2nd and last nationals is over and I graduate from high school in a week.

The tournament was very exciting with Bloomington South finishing 13th (2nd Astronomy, 1st Disease Detectives, 4th Enviro Chem, 2nd Physics Lab, 6th Technical Problem Solving, as well as 2nd in two trial events: Helicopter and Model This) and Bloomington North finishing 16th (4th forensics, 6th Ornithology, 5th Picture This). Together, an Indiana high school won a medal in over a 3rd of the events which is pretty amazing. Also, special congratulations to TJ for placing 9th overall with 3 event medals + 1 trial event medal (3rd Can't Judge a Powder, 3rd Elevated Bridge, 3rd Solar System, 2nd Helicopter). Congratulations to Wilbur Wright for winning 2 event medals + 1 trial event medal (5th Ecology, 2nd Solar System, 5th Optics) and placing 23rd.

Overall, I felt like Bloomington South had a mixed day. We did just as well in medals as many of the top ten schools and did better than #4 ranked Penncrest. Also, the vast majority of our events were strong with 17 of the 23 events in the top 20 (12 of those were in the top 15). However, we were unlucky in some events which hurt our overall score. We came 13th but were less than 10 points from 11th and our score was much better than last year.

I am a senior and so sadly, will not be able to participate next year. Congratulations again to everyone that competed this year and good luck to all schools in the 2010-2011 season.
My 2010 National Results
Astronomy: 2nd
Physics Lab: 2nd
Technical Problem Solving: 6th
Fossils: 8th


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