Michigan 2010

[Glacial_Overfreeze]

5 move on in my region... Wow...

That's.... like a tenth of the total teams at states.... there's a little over 50, right?

Idk...

I live in Oakland though, and between the tri-county, we ought to have like at the very least a quarter of the state's population...

Same here, it's our first time going to states. XD
Thanks to the top 5 thing ... still, that's a lot.

[JustDroobles]

Well, what fraction of your teams go on to state? For Division C we have 6 teams go on to state in Region 12, out of 25. In Division B, 10 teams go out of about 40 to 50.

[jander14indoor]

MI state invites, no mystery, and not necessarily related to population covered. This is the policy in MI, can't speak for other states.

There are 48 slots each in Div B and C. They are distributed to the regionals based on paid team memberships at the regional vs the total paid teams in the state in your division on a given day.

So, lets say your regional has 40 teams in Div B and 30 in Div C. There are 400 teams in div B statewide, and 450 in Div C. Div B gets 48*40/400 or 4.8 invites, normally rounded to 5. Div C gets 48*30/450 or 3.2 invites, again, rounded to 3.

So its the regions with lots of teams participating, not lots of nonparticipating native population, that get more invites.

Note, no regional gets less than one, though if that small it might be combined with another region at some point.

Hope that's clear. Note, even if your region stays the same size from one year to the next, it may get a different number of invites depending on the total state teams. Vice versa, growing or shrinking only changes invites based on total state teams.

National invites are similar. They have 60 slots. Each state gets one, then the largest states (by team count again) get an extra invite till they are all distributed. The largest couple of states get two each for Div B and C. Further down, some states might get two div B and one C, or vice versa, depending on relative team membership in that team division.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI

[JustDroobles]

So, lets say your regional has 40 teams in Div B and 30 in Div C. There are 400 teams in div B statewide, and 450 in Div C. Div B gets 48*40/400 or 4.8 invites, normally rounded to 5. Div C gets 48*30/450 or 3.2 invites, again, rounded to 3.

My region has 25 C teams. 48*25/450 = 2.667... but we get 6 invites to state. Maybe they were generous and rounded 2.667 up to 6?

[jander14indoor]

That was an illustrative example. Simple math for my simple mind.

From the MI state website, there are 240 Div C teams registered this year, not sure how many there were on the date we set the invites. So your numbers become approx: 48*25/240=5. All I can guess is you actually had 29 teams (region 6?? and some didn't show??) registered for 48*29/240=5.8 rounding to 6.

Or wait, I need to take out the alternates since they can't go to state tournament and we don't charge them a state fee. That would reduce the C divisor to 212, put you in region 12 for 48*25/212=5.7 again rounding to 6 invites. That's probably the right set of numbers give or take a few. If you had 50 div B teams, with 48*50/237=10 invites in your region, definitely region 12.

All numbers from the MSO website for membership, but that's current data, not memberships as of the day we set the invites. Not far off though. And trust me the actual math is scrutinized VERY closely. All 20 plus executive board members and the 15 regions check it before its finalized.

I've got the file somewhere, too lazy to dig it up (its on my other 'puter three whole feet away), just wanted to show how the numbers were derived.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI

[winneratlife]

That was an illustrative example. Simple math for my simple mind.

From the MI state website, there are 240 Div C teams registered this year, not sure how many there were on the date we set the invites. So your numbers become approx: 48*25/240=5. All I can guess is you actually had 29 teams (region 6?? and some didn't show??) registered for 48*29/240=5.8 rounding to 6.

Or wait, I need to take out the alternates since they can't go to state tournament and we don't charge them a state fee. That would reduce the C divisor to 212, put you in region 12 for 48*25/212=5.7 again rounding to 6 invites. That's probably the right set of numbers give or take a few. If you had 50 div B teams, with 48*50/237=10 invites in your region, definitely region 12.

All numbers from the MSO website for membership, but that's current data, not memberships as of the day we set the invites. Not far off though. And trust me the actual math is scrutinized VERY closely. All 20 plus executive board members and the 15 regions check it before its finalized.

I've got the file somewhere, too lazy to dig it up (its on my other 'puter three whole feet away), just wanted to show how the numbers were derived.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI

So basically 1/5 of any given region's teams go to state...

So basically packerbacker's region has 5 teams...and bogoradwee's has 10...?

[JustDroobles]

That was an illustrative example. Simple math for my simple mind.

From the MI state website, there are 240 Div C teams registered this year, not sure how many there were on the date we set the invites. So your numbers become approx: 48*25/240=5. All I can guess is you actually had 29 teams (region 6?? and some didn't show??) registered for 48*29/240=5.8 rounding to 6.

Or wait, I need to take out the alternates since they can't go to state tournament and we don't charge them a state fee. That would reduce the C divisor to 212, put you in region 12 for 48*25/212=5.7 again rounding to 6 invites. That's probably the right set of numbers give or take a few. If you had 50 div B teams, with 48*50/237=10 invites in your region, definitely region 12.

All numbers from the MSO website for membership, but that's current data, not memberships as of the day we set the invites. Not far off though. And trust me the actual math is scrutinized VERY closely. All 20 plus executive board members and the 15 regions check it before its finalized.

I've got the file somewhere, too lazy to dig it up (its on my other 'puter three whole feet away), just wanted to show how the numbers were derived.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I'm in Region 12 actually... We had exactly 25 teams, no alternate teams, so if we got 6 state slots, there must have been some extra factor, or the state total could be off a bit.

[jander14indoor]

So basically 1/5 of any given region's teams go to state...

No, its 48/Total Paid Teams in your Divison. Just happens to be around 1/4th this year for Div C, 1/5th for Div B.

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I'm in Region 12 actually... We had exactly 25 teams, no alternate teams, so if we got 6 state slots, there must have been some extra factor, or the state total could be off a bit.

No extra factor, 5.7 rounds to 6 invites.

Jeff Anderson
Livonia, MI

[packer-backer91]

So basically 1/5 of any given region's teams go to state...

No, its 48/Total Paid Teams in your Divison. Just happens to be around 1/4th this year for Div C, 1/5th for Div B.

Thanks, that makes a lot more sense. I'm in Region 12 actually... We had exactly 25 teams, no alternate teams, so if we got 6 state slots, there must have been some extra factor, or the state total could be off a bit.

No extra factor, 5.7 rounds to 6 invites.

This equation does not always hold true for my Region [3] the number of invites get's round down, yes my region only has 7 teams but we still get a value of 1.58 thus should be rounded up to 2? yet we only send one team. I don’t know why but to me it's really unfair to the rest of the schools of this region, my school has won convincingly the last 9 or 10 years in a row, I wish another team could get to experience Science Olympiad at the State level too.

[lllazar]

This equation does not always hold true for my Region [3] the number of invites get's round down, yes my region only has 7 teams but we still get a value of 1.58 thus should be rounded up to 2? yet we only send one team. I don’t know why but to me it's really unfair to the rest of the schools of this region, my school has won convincingly the last 9 or 10 years in a row, I wish another team could get to experience Science Olympiad at the State level too.

Wow thats weird...there were 7 teams in my region in illinois this year, 3 teams went to state...we killed all the other teams but still...