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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by ichaelm » November 13th, 2010, 6:37 am

brobo wrote:
Anatprof88 wrote:Hey guys,
Would you suggest I use a pouch for my fat or something more sturdy.
I was thinkin of a soup ladle.
Use a sling. It's traditional, more reliable, and you can also have many slings of different lengths.
By reliable, do you mean accurate? In my experience, using a sling has be much less accurate than a sturdy cup, just because of all the variables involved in a sling.

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by starpug » November 13th, 2010, 8:32 am

ichaelm wrote:
brobo wrote:
Anatprof88 wrote:Hey guys,
Would you suggest I use a pouch for my fat or something more sturdy.
I was thinkin of a soup ladle.
Use a sling. It's traditional, more reliable, and you can also have many slings of different lengths.
By reliable, do you mean accurate? In my experience, using a sling has be much less accurate than a sturdy cup, just because of all the variables involved in a sling.
While a sling can lack accuracy, it definitely will get you more distance then a simple cup. I may be wrong, but I believe this is because the way it lengthens the arm. That may not be why but, regardless there is a reason that medieval trebuchets used slings and not cups
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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by ichaelm » November 13th, 2010, 9:34 am

starpug wrote:
ichaelm wrote:
brobo wrote: Use a sling. It's traditional, more reliable, and you can also have many slings of different lengths.
By reliable, do you mean accurate? In my experience, using a sling has be much less accurate than a sturdy cup, just because of all the variables involved in a sling.
While a sling can lack accuracy, it definitely will get you more distance then a simple cup. I may be wrong, but I believe this is because the way it lengthens the arm. That may not be why but, regardless there is a reason that medieval trebuchets used slings and not cups
Actually, I was still thinking of the rules for trajectory, where you had to be as accurate as possible and hit a fairly close distance that was set by the event supervisors. :oops: So yeah, you're right. Distance matters a lot more than I thought.

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by wlsguy » November 15th, 2010, 7:09 am

Other than receiving outside assistance, what does everyone think constitutes a “competition violation” which would get you 2nd tiered?

I don’t think they are the same things as “Penalties” since these already covered and have their own point deduction (3 points)

I have submitted a clarification but wanted to see if maybe I was missing something obvious.

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by AlphaTauri » November 15th, 2010, 12:42 pm

Arguing with the judges when they're clearly right and you're clearly wrong? I don't think there's much in the way of competition violations for any building event.

Edit: Or perhaps some part of the trebuchet sticks out of the launch area after launch (but everything fit in the 75cm cube before launch, therefore avoiding the construction violation)?
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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by starpug » November 15th, 2010, 1:32 pm

wlsguy wrote:Other than receiving outside assistance, what does everyone think constitutes a “competition violation” which would get you 2nd tiered?

I don’t think they are the same things as “Penalties” since these already covered and have their own point deduction (3 points)

I have submitted a clarification but wanted to see if maybe I was missing something obvious.
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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by wlsguy » November 15th, 2010, 6:54 pm

Thanks for some ideas but so far the things already covered in the rules are:

Penalties (3 points each)
1) Improper eye protection (or wearing it wrong, ie taking it off)
2) being in the lauch area during launch
3) device goes through unintended launch motion
4) no warning prior to launch ( not yelling- "look out, here it comes")

Construction violations (tier 3)
1) size and energy rule violations

Others: (no score for that shot)
1) "subsequent launches scores normally". I think this means the launch does not count.
2) goes through a launch motion but no ball thrown (misfire or forgot the ball)

I have looked over the "competition" section of the rules and have no idea why they placed "competition" violations (as tier 2) before "construction" violations (as tier 3) without letting everyone know what these are. I will post when I get a reply from my clarification.

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by bearasauras » November 17th, 2010, 9:28 am

I don't know for sure but I think generally competition violations are any violations under the section called the competition (section 4 in this year's Storm the Castle). I think these would be:
- leaving or receiving outside assistance, materials, or communication during their run
- not placing their device within the 2m x 2m designated square
- using AC powered electrical equipment
- device or counterweight extending out of the launch area
- competitors touching or holding the device or in the launch area or the area in front of the link that mars the front edge of the launch area during a launch

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by wlsguy » November 17th, 2010, 12:21 pm

bearasauras wrote:I don't know for sure but I think generally competition violations are any violations under the section called the competition (section 4 in this year's Storm the Castle). I think these would be:
- leaving or receiving outside assistance, materials, or communication during their run
- not placing their device within the 2m x 2m designated square
- using AC powered electrical equipment
- device or counterweight extending out of the launch area
- competitors touching or holding the device or in the launch area or the area in front of the link that mars the front edge of the launch area during a launch
I think you may be right but, previously, the last 2 resulted in the shot not counting

-device or counterweight extending out of the launch area
-competitors touching or holding the device or in the launch area or the area in front of the link that mars the front edge of the launch area during a launch

Anyway it will be interesting to see what the response to the clarification request.

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Re: Storm the Castle B

Post by brobo » November 18th, 2010, 2:07 pm

ahhh help! Our sling isn't working! No matter what we do, the ball isn't comming out of the sling... it just stays in the whole time!!! What are people doing with their slings to make them work right? How are you making your slings? Please help... I'm desperate... :(
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