Sounds of Music C

AlphaTauri
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:41 pm
Division: Grad
State: PA
Location: 04h 35m 55.239s, +16° 30′ 33.49″
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » Thu May 05, 2011 2:07 am

100% agreed, Z. My partner had to give up on making the lowest 5 notes or so (the ones below C4) because she couldn't get a decent sound out of the pipes. And at States I saw several percussion instruments that were so massive I was doubtful they could even fit through the double doors to the BAC, let alone a regular classroom door. In fact, I had to temporarily remove keys from my xylophone to fit it through the door. Now, excuse me while I rant about Sounds at States:

1. The event ran over time. Out of 9 teams in our slot, my partner and I were 4th, and we barely made it out of the testing rooms in time for our next event (infact, I had to leave my partner to put away our xylophone in order to make it my next event on time). The teams after us weren't so lucky, and I know that at least one team had to have someone sub in for an even at the last minute because their usual event person was still stuck at Sounds.
2. The event was not run as well as it could have been. The software used to check pitch didn't always pick up the notes that were played, especially on percussion because the pitches were so low. Also, my partner and I spent most of our time simply waiting for the judges to finish with the teams before us.
3. It was on the THIRD FLOOR. Of a building with no elevator. Yes, there was a loading dock in the back, but hardly any of the teams knew it was there until they had already hauled their instruments up multiple flights of stairs. Let's just say that large instruments + rather narrow stairwell =/= good things.
Hershey Science Olympiad 2009 - 2014
Volunteer for Michigan SO 2015 - 2018

]\/[ Go Blue!

boomtech
Member
Member
Posts: 44
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:13 am
Division: Grad
State: CA
Location: California
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby boomtech » Fri May 06, 2011 3:29 am

Sorry if this is seems out of place in this thread...

but how are teams shipping their instruments over to Madison? Especially teams with large instruments?
Former Div B, C competitor; current Div B, C Event Supervisor

stevenrkeyes
Member
Member
Posts: 7
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:50 am
Division: C
State: GA
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby stevenrkeyes » Wed May 11, 2011 3:53 am

Our team is breaking down our large percussion instrument and then shipping it. For our wind instrument, we're packing it on our plane carry-on.

newyork471
Member
Member
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:48 am
Division: C
State: OH
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby newyork471 » Wed May 11, 2011 5:07 am

what sort of questions in the interview do you guys think we should expect at nationals?

User avatar
Bogoradwee
Member
Member
Posts: 117
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:47 pm
Division: Grad
State: MI
Location: Frankenmuth
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Bogoradwee » Wed May 11, 2011 2:49 pm

I'm guessing similar ones to what you recieved at states, assuming the event was understood and run properly. The physics behind your instrument, and such.
Science Olympiad: Guessing and BSing our way to victory!
Btw, if you see me in IRC chat, I'm Exothermic
2009: I don't remember/ not very noteworthy.
2010: See above.
2011: Regionals- 3rd WIDI, 3rd Optics, 3rd Fossils, 3rd overall States- 4th WIDI

stevenrkeyes
Member
Member
Posts: 7
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:50 am
Division: C
State: GA
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby stevenrkeyes » Wed May 11, 2011 6:10 pm

I have a question about the percussion instrument clarification that it must be a "membranophone". I noticed at my local and state competitions that many of the percussion instruments were not membranophones. For example, I saw several xylophones and marimbas made of various materials. The blocks of these instruments make them ideophones. I also saw PVC tube percussion instruments that resembled tubular bells or the resonators on professional marimbas. At best, they may be ideophones, and they probably also have aerophonic character, but they're still not membranophones. I even saw guitar-like instruments, chordophones.

Have teams been penalized for this to anyone's knowledge? Will they be at World? Is membranophonic character too hard to judge, and most judges will be lax on this?

AlphaTauri
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:41 pm
Division: Grad
State: PA
Location: 04h 35m 55.239s, +16° 30′ 33.49″
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » Wed May 11, 2011 7:42 pm

...Where is this clarification, that percussion instruments must be membranophones?

A percussion instrument (according to this) is a musical instrument where sound is produced by one object hitting another, and under Hornbostel-Sachs, both idiophones and membranophones are typified as percussion instruments. Therefore, xylophones/marimbas/etc. are perfectly legal. I believe there's even a National clarification that says anything listed under idiophone or membranophone on Hornbostel-Sachs is allowed.

The PVC instruments you mentioned are also considered percussion, as they are struck to produce sound through vibration of a column of air (which is caused by the vibration of the PVC). To be considered aerophones, the vibration of the air must produce the sound, and the instrument itself should not vibrate.

Teams should not be penalized for making ideophones, as they are perfectly within the rules (also, making 27 pitched drums to cover the entire range would be a HUGE pain). However, dulcimer-like instruments may or may not be legal, depending on the judge's interpretation of "percussion".
Hershey Science Olympiad 2009 - 2014
Volunteer for Michigan SO 2015 - 2018

]\/[ Go Blue!

User avatar
Bogoradwee
Member
Member
Posts: 117
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:47 pm
Division: Grad
State: MI
Location: Frankenmuth
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Bogoradwee » Wed May 11, 2011 7:45 pm

I believe dulcimers to be perfectly legal because it's like a piano, there are only two hammers. I've never heard of a piano being classified as a string instrument.
Science Olympiad: Guessing and BSing our way to victory!
Btw, if you see me in IRC chat, I'm Exothermic
2009: I don't remember/ not very noteworthy.
2010: See above.
2011: Regionals- 3rd WIDI, 3rd Optics, 3rd Fossils, 3rd overall States- 4th WIDI

AlphaTauri
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:41 pm
Division: Grad
State: PA
Location: 04h 35m 55.239s, +16° 30′ 33.49″
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » Wed May 11, 2011 7:54 pm

Pianos ARE considered string instruments/chordophones, though, because it's the vibration of the string that causes the sound, even though the string is struck. (With that logic, I guess dulcimers would be banned as well.)
Hershey Science Olympiad 2009 - 2014
Volunteer for Michigan SO 2015 - 2018

]\/[ Go Blue!

User avatar
Bogoradwee
Member
Member
Posts: 117
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:47 pm
Division: Grad
State: MI
Location: Frankenmuth
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Bogoradwee » Wed May 11, 2011 8:24 pm

Oh... good thing my brother didn't make a dulcimer then!
Science Olympiad: Guessing and BSing our way to victory!
Btw, if you see me in IRC chat, I'm Exothermic
2009: I don't remember/ not very noteworthy.
2010: See above.
2011: Regionals- 3rd WIDI, 3rd Optics, 3rd Fossils, 3rd overall States- 4th WIDI

chalker
Member
Member
Posts: 2063
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:30 am
Division: Grad
State: OH
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby chalker » Thu May 12, 2011 4:08 am

AlphaTauri wrote:...Where is this clarification, that percussion instruments must be membranophones?

A percussion instrument (according to this) is a musical instrument where sound is produced by one object hitting another, and under Hornbostel-Sachs, both idiophones and membranophones are typified as percussion instruments. Therefore, xylophones/marimbas/etc. are perfectly legal. I believe there's even a National clarification that says anything listed under idiophone or membranophone on Hornbostel-Sachs is allowed.

The PVC instruments you mentioned are also considered percussion, as they are struck to produce sound through vibration of a column of air (which is caused by the vibration of the PVC). To be considered aerophones, the vibration of the air must produce the sound, and the instrument itself should not vibrate.

Teams should not be penalized for making ideophones, as they are perfectly within the rules (also, making 27 pitched drums to cover the entire range would be a HUGE pain). However, dulcimer-like instruments may or may not be legal, depending on the judge's interpretation of "percussion".



From http://soinc.org/official_rules_clarif
Only wind instruments (Aerophones) and percussion instruments (Idiophones and Membranophones) are allowed, no stringed instruments (Chordophones) or Electrophones are allowed. To determine whether or not an instrument is allowed, check the musical instrument classification list: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary ... instrume... and http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary ... tmain.html

Student Alumni
National Event Supervisor
National Physical Sciences Rules Committee Chair

stevenrkeyes
Member
Member
Posts: 7
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:50 am
Division: C
State: GA
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby stevenrkeyes » Thu May 12, 2011 4:54 pm

Whoops, my bad. Forgot about the "and idiophones" bit. Thanks!

QuantumLeaper
Member
Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:12 pm
Division: C
State: RI
Location: Uncertain
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby QuantumLeaper » Sat May 21, 2011 12:01 am

I'm thinking a lot about this event for next year, especially about the wind instrument. Usually we wind up making a flute, but I'm wondering what would happen if we changed it up a bit. What are some other wind instruments that anyone has made for Sounds?
"I know that the molecules in my body are traceable to phenomena in the cosmos. That makes me want to grab people on the street and say: ‘Have you HEARD THIS?"

-Neil deGrasse Tyson

zyzzyva980
Admin Emeritus
Admin Emeritus
Posts: 1537
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:59 pm
Division: Grad
State: KS
Location: Drake University
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby zyzzyva980 » Sat May 21, 2011 2:59 am

I would love to make a mello, because I would just rock the event, but the one brass instrument I saw this year, a trombone, had a horrible tone. I think flute is simply the easiest instrument to make, so that's why everyone does that.
Olathe North HS, 2011-2013 | National Runner-Up, Sounds of Music (2012)
Never lose the joy of competing in the pursuit of winning

Resources
Site Help: FAQ & IRC
Event Help: Wiki & Image Gallery
Social Networks: scioly.org on Facebook & Twitter

QuantumLeaper
Member
Member
Posts: 32
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:12 pm
Division: C
State: RI
Location: Uncertain
Contact:

Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby QuantumLeaper » Sun May 22, 2011 7:13 pm

zyzzyva98 wrote:I would love to make a mello, because I would just rock the event, but the one brass instrument I saw this year, a trombone, had a horrible tone. I think flute is simply the easiest instrument to make, so that's why everyone does that.


Do you think that if you made a less common instrument (and pulled it off) then you'd score more points?
"I know that the molecules in my body are traceable to phenomena in the cosmos. That makes me want to grab people on the street and say: ‘Have you HEARD THIS?"

-Neil deGrasse Tyson


Return to “2011 Build Events”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest