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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby zyzzyva980 » May 22nd, 2011, 12:14 pm

There is a portion of the rubric dedicated to originality and creativity of the instruments.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby butter side up » May 23rd, 2011, 1:40 pm

We made a trumpet, and it sounds pretty good (placed 1st at States).
I know this event usually runs on some kind of cycle, and this year should have a string instrument. Does anyone have some kind of conformation on this?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby zyzzyva980 » May 23rd, 2011, 2:14 pm

Based on previous years, the most likely combination is string and percussion. However, there is no confirmation until the final rules come out.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby QuantumLeaper » May 23rd, 2011, 2:39 pm

zyzzyva98 wrote:Based on previous years, the most likely combination is string and percussion. However, there is no confirmation until the final rules come out.


Darn... I play a wind instrument, so it's been more comfortable for me as far as making wind instruments go. I don't mind trying to build a string instrument though. Does anyone have any preferences? (flute player = partial ;) )
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Paradox21 » May 24th, 2011, 7:12 pm

zyzzyva98 wrote:Based on previous years, the most likely combination is string and percussion. However, there is no confirmation until the final rules come out.

Shoot, we don't have an orchestra at our school. Nobody knows how to play a string instrument.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby AlphaTauri » May 24th, 2011, 7:30 pm

There's always guitar...plenty of people know how to play that, even if they're not in orchestra. And I suppose you could always try a hammered dulcimer-like instrument.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby uriljack » May 25th, 2011, 3:32 am

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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby trophymursky » May 31st, 2011, 11:22 am

Previously sounds of music did not ban/limit the types of instruments other than penalizing teams with 2 instruments of the same kind. I suspect they banned string instruments this year because string and percussion instruments are both really easy to get to cover the whole range so the vast majority of teams did them and it got old fast. From what I heard very few teams (even at the national level) were able to cover the full range with wind instruments which makes it very easy to distinguish the top teams from the rest.
If I were involved in making rules for next year (and I'm not) I would make only string and wind because 99 percent of teams either had a tubaphone or some sort of xylophone/marimba (I made two marimbas in my time) and simply their extremely easy to get to cover the full range while wind instruments are not easy at all.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby ahsettle23 » June 10th, 2011, 9:54 am

It doesn't really run on a rotation (this year was the first time they ever picked what kind of instrument) so next year is kind of unpredictable. Even though they saw a whole lot of 8-hole flutes at nats this year, I really doubt they'll get rid of wind instruments. Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if they got rid of the instrument specification to allow all 3. They wouldn't have gotten rid of strings if they didn't plan on bringing it back at some point, but I doubt they would ever get rid of winds because they're the most difficult and leave room for the most creativity. I think after seeing the lack of creativity this year they might allow all types so that theres more variety next year.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Paradox21 » June 10th, 2011, 11:07 am

I think that they try, more so recently, to prevent teams from re-using devices from one year to the next. They don't want a great device from the previous year to carry a slacking team the next year. I think that is why they were so specific about what instruments you had to build last year, it allows them to block out those types of instruments this year. My guess would be that it could be any type of instrument other than a low percussion or a high wind. I'd kind of like to see low string and high percussion.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby zyzzyva980 » June 10th, 2011, 11:09 am

@settle (because Paradox jumped in as I was typing and I don't feel like revising everything)
In my opinion, allowing all types would decrease creativity. Don't you guys remember the beginning of this thread, where everyone was trying to find a loophole so they could make a simple guitar or violin? Here's what's going to happen:
If they allow wind, it's going to be all flutes. If they allow percussion, it's going to be all xylophones. And if they allow strings, it'll be all guitars and violins. If they allow all three, teams will either use the exact same instruments they did the year before or switch one out for the aforementioned stringed instruments. SO needs to push the envelope to get more creative instruments; as was mentioned on chat last night, for example, membraphones or electrophones.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Bogoradwee » June 10th, 2011, 12:04 pm

Well that solution's simple. Change how scoring works for originality. Say if you're the only team with oh... a guitar, you get full points. If you're one of 2 get less points. The exact difference could be different based on the amount of teams competing
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby ahsettle23 » June 11th, 2011, 1:17 pm

I don't think they should make it actually concrete in the scoring, because then a good beautiful sounding guitar would get less points than a crappy but original oboe. As it is, you get points for creativity based on who else has what and if yours is unique, and I think it should stay like that (only 5 points out of your score). Also, adding electrophones changes a lot about the event. It goes from an acoustics physics event to an electrical engineering event, which I don't think they want. Membranophones cannot be mandatory in my opinion because the choices are so few and so difficult (timpanis? not a chance).

The fact of the matter is teams will find the easy way out. And they won't win. Even though creativity is only 5 points, you are scored better in so many categories if you have a unique instrument because the judges look at it in a better light all together. So the way to win is to not take the easy way, and let everyone else build 7-holed flutes and simple guitars.
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby Infinity Flat » June 11th, 2011, 1:58 pm

ahsettle23 wrote:I don't think they should make it actually concrete in the scoring, because then a good beautiful sounding guitar would get less points than a crappy but original oboe. As it is, you get points for creativity based on who else has what and if yours is unique, and I think it should stay like that (only 5 points out of your score). Also, adding electrophones changes a lot about the event. It goes from an acoustics physics event to an electrical engineering event, which I don't think they want. Membranophones cannot be mandatory in my opinion because the choices are so few and so difficult (timpanis? not a chance).

The fact of the matter is teams will find the easy way out. And they won't win. Even though creativity is only 5 points, you are scored better in so many categories if you have a unique instrument because the judges look at it in a better light all together. So the way to win is to not take the easy way, and let everyone else build 7-holed flutes and simple guitars.


Just out of curiosity, since you won the event at nationals - what did you have for your instruments?
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Re: Sounds of Music C

Postby ahsettle23 » June 11th, 2011, 5:47 pm

Marimba and flute

Our flute had a full key system so it could play the full range chromatic scale and the marimba (if i do say so myself) sounded really nice. We think the key system was probably what won us our creativity points.
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