Protein Modeling C

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they recently posted the theme for Protein Modeling next year! :!:

http://cbm.msoe.edu/stupro/so/index.html
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Paradox21 wrote:Those scores were incredibly close. It just goes to show how much it helps to just put in that little extra bit to your pre-build. It can bump you up quite a few places. I'd imagine that with so many teams at nationals, most of the events stack up really tightly and most people never realize how close they were to the top places.
Definitely. I saw at least two instances where teams were only .01 points apart. That's incredible. Good job to everyone!
GCXC wrote:they recently posted the theme for Protein Modeling next year! :!:

http://cbm.msoe.edu/stupro/so/index.html
Wow, that looks awfully exciting. I was already looking forward to this event next year, but I really love this idea!
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GCXC wrote:they recently posted the theme for Protein Modeling next year! :!:

http://cbm.msoe.edu/stupro/so/index.html
Very exciting! The specific proteins appear to be XIAP as the pre-build, and then Caspases and the MHC as on-site proteins.
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Infinity Flat wrote:
GCXC wrote:they recently posted the theme for Protein Modeling next year! :!:

http://cbm.msoe.edu/stupro/so/index.html
Very exciting! The specific proteins appear to be XIAP as the pre-build, and then Caspases and the MHC as on-site proteins.
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quizbowl wrote:
Infinity Flat wrote:
GCXC wrote:they recently posted the theme for Protein Modeling next year! :!:

http://cbm.msoe.edu/stupro/so/index.html
Very exciting! The specific proteins appear to be XIAP as the pre-build, and then Caspases and the MHC as on-site proteins.
Where do you see that?
On the link.

The left ribbon talks about XIAP in the prebuild section.

The other two are mentioned within the body text, so I'm just assuming we'll be modeling them.
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Yeah, especially given that it's impossible to take all subjectivity out of the model judging, I think it's best to regard your placement in this event as placing you in a range rather than a position. I've had events where five teams were separated by less than half a point (that easily could have been granted or taken away on subjective calls).
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FullMetalMaple wrote: Definitely. I saw at least two instances where teams were only .01 points apart. That's incredible. Good job to everyone!
It looks like that was how they designated a tiebreaker- i.e., if two teams had the same score, the one that did better on the tiebreakers received an extra .01 point.
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Uhhh... is question #10 wrong on the 2011 national exam answer key?
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Phenylethylamine wrote:
FullMetalMaple wrote: Definitely. I saw at least two instances where teams were only .01 points apart. That's incredible. Good job to everyone!
It looks like that was how they designated a tiebreaker- i.e., if two teams had the same score, the one that did better on the tiebreakers received an extra .01 point.
That's what I thought, too.
kwijiborjt wrote:Uhhh... is question #10 wrong on the 2011 national exam answer key?
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Otherwise, the test looked great. Again, I wish I could have been at nationals.
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After seeing my prebuild score (35.75/40) on that spreadsheet, I assumed that I must not have gotten credit for some creative additions... but having read the rubric, I had literally every one of the creative additions specifically mentioned. I really have no idea where I lost that many points, especially since the checklist for the secondary and tertiary structure sounds almost exactly like what I myself did at home before competition. I can only guess that maybe I lost points if they didn't feel my extra creative additions (not mentioned in the rubric) were sufficiently related to the function of the protein? I could see a half- or quarter- point here or there, but I can't figure out how I lost 4.25 points.

Oh well. I'll be posting photos of my model and card in the image gallery as soon as I get around to actually taking said photos.
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