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Experimental Design B/C

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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby JustDroobles » August 17th, 2010, 9:28 am

Is it likely that there will be any changes to this event's rules or changes to the rubric? Is there anything in the rules or 2010 rubric that anyone would want changed?

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Postby zyzzyva980 » August 17th, 2010, 11:24 am

I hope they don't change anything, but I can't think of anything they would change from last year.
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Postby FueL » August 17th, 2010, 11:26 am

Yeah, the rules have pretty much stayed constant over the years I've been in SciO.
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Postby packer-backer91 » August 17th, 2010, 1:38 pm

JustDroobles wrote:Is it likely that there will be any changes to this event's rules or changes to the rubric? Is there anything in the rules or 2010 rubric that anyone would want changed?



In the 6 years that I did the event the real only change on the rules was the little picture. In fact even before I did the event I was cleaning my teacher’s back room and found some of the old try out events from 2004 and they had the same rubric as used today. My brother did the event in Middle school in 2001/2 and nothing has changed too much. It's very unlikely they would change the rules of this event because there are so many experiments that can be done.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby Phenylethylamine » August 19th, 2010, 10:12 am

packer-backer91 wrote:
JustDroobles wrote:Is it likely that there will be any changes to this event's rules or changes to the rubric? Is there anything in the rules or 2010 rubric that anyone would want changed?



In the 6 years that I did the event the real only change on the rules was the little picture. In fact even before I did the event I was cleaning my teacher’s back room and found some of the old try out events from 2004 and they had the same rubric as used today. My brother did the event in Middle school in 2001/2 and nothing has changed too much. It's very unlikely they would change the rules of this event because there are so many experiments that can be done.

I know at some point they changed the rules so that supervisors were not just recommended but required to give a specific topic for the experiment, and not just materials. Apart from that, though, I don't think anything has changed, and I doubt anything else will.
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Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 3:11 pm

Wasn't the National test for this event last year up on the internet? Any chance it will happen again?
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Postby Paradox21 » August 20th, 2010, 3:24 pm

paleonaps95 wrote:Wasn't the National test for this event last year up on the internet? Any chance it will happen again?

The test never showed up, but people here on scioly explained what is was.

The 2009 C topic involved static electricity. You were given various fabrics and allowed to go at it.
The 2010 B topic was placing snacks in iodine.
The 2010 C topic involved resting heart rate and active heart rate. You were only allowed a stop watch and your own bodies.
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Postby zyzzyva980 » August 20th, 2010, 3:30 pm

I heard that the B test caused some allergy problems, right?
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Postby Paradox21 » August 20th, 2010, 3:33 pm

Yep. One of the snacks they gave teams had peanuts. And one kid had a severe peanut allergy and was forced to leave. It was a pretty big oversight by the national coordinators for the event.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 6:04 pm

I heard about him- my team felt so bad.
Also, it wasn't on here, but my team found the event as a practice somewhere, and then used it to practice. Then they got the same one for nationals.
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Postby tclme elmo » August 21st, 2010, 10:03 am

Oh god, that was horrible. And he was in charge of the observations.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby Phenylethylamine » August 23rd, 2010, 6:32 am

Paradox21 wrote:
paleonaps95 wrote:Wasn't the National test for this event last year up on the internet? Any chance it will happen again?

The test never showed up, but people here on scioly explained what is was.

The 2009 C topic involved static electricity. You were given various fabrics and allowed to go at it.
The 2010 B topic was placing snacks in iodine.
The 2010 C topic involved resting heart rate and active heart rate. You were only allowed a stop watch and your own bodies.

The 2009 B topic was the same as the 2009 C topic, just for the record.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 24th, 2010, 6:25 am

Really?
I'm losing faith in National Event Coordinators.
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Re: Experimental Design B/C

Postby Phenylethylamine » August 24th, 2010, 6:59 am

paleonaps95 wrote:Really?
I'm losing faith in National Event Coordinators.

The National competition is run by humans, just like all the other ones, and so there are almost as many failures of organization, event writers not turning in their events on time, and just badly written events as you'd expect at, say, a State tournament (in fact, in some ways I think the New York State tournament is run better than Nationals, but of course it's much easier to run, being much less elaborate and with fewer teams present).

We all complain about lousy National events- I'm just as guilty of it as everyone else; I've been complaining about the terrible Food Science event I did at Nationals in 8th grade since I got back to the team room after finishing it- but there's really not much any of us can do, so we more or less have to get used to it.

That being said, yeah, I feel like Experimental Design tends to have a lot more problems than some events. Maybe it's because its rules are somewhat more vague.
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