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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 6:38 am

Make your own field guide- binder?
I think that for identification, you could do 5 pages. But there is a lot of stuff to cover here- would you like to memorize the geologic time chart?
fossils is not an identification event- ID plays a big part in it, but it is called an Earth Science event for a reason.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby gneissisnice » August 20th, 2010, 9:42 am

paleonaps95 wrote:Make your own field guide- binder?
I think that for identification, you could do 5 pages. But there is a lot of stuff to cover here- would you like to memorize the geologic time chart?
fossils is not an identification event- ID plays a big part in it, but it is called an Earth Science event for a reason.


Uh, no, Naps, it's most definitely an identification event. A huge majority of the test is built around identifying specimens and then answering questions on them. General fossil/earth science questions are few and far between in this event; he's not wrong in saying you can fit all the earth science info you need in 5 pages. The important part is getting info on the specimens.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 11:05 am

Okay, I concede. But still- the idea of making your own field guide is a binder, right?
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby quizbowl » August 20th, 2010, 2:42 pm

gneissisnice wrote:
paleonaps95 wrote:Make your own field guide- binder?
I think that for identification, you could do 5 pages. But there is a lot of stuff to cover here- would you like to memorize the geologic time chart?
fossils is not an identification event- ID plays a big part in it, but it is called an Earth Science event for a reason.


Uh, no, Naps, it's most definitely an identification event. A huge majority of the test is built around identifying specimens and then answering questions on them. General fossil/earth science questions are few and far between in this event; he's not wrong in saying you can fit all the earth science info you need in 5 pages. The important part is getting info on the specimens.

exactly. and by the way, i did memorize the geologic time chart. with a nifty mnemonic device.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 3:06 pm

So how long every period, era, epoch and eon lasted, with major events and mass extinctions? I memorized the periods (without a mnemonic- I don't really like them. I find I'm more likely to forget the song than be helped), but there is other stuff I like to have.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby quizbowl » August 20th, 2010, 3:25 pm

paleonaps95 wrote:So how long every period, era, epoch and eon lasted, with major events and mass extinctions? I memorized the periods (without a mnemonic- I don't really like them. I find I'm more likely to forget the song than be helped), but there is other stuff I like to have.

=around a 1/2 page of notes.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 20th, 2010, 6:02 pm

I think the binder is fine. Why does it need to go?
Also, I doubt it will change as it is. My coach is pretty instrumental in the rules for this event, and he loves the binder.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby gneissisnice » August 20th, 2010, 7:15 pm

quizbowl13 wrote:
paleonaps95 wrote:So how long every period, era, epoch and eon lasted, with major events and mass extinctions? I memorized the periods (without a mnemonic- I don't really like them. I find I'm more likely to forget the song than be helped), but there is other stuff I like to have.

=around a 1/2 page of notes.


Yeah, we were allowed notes in my Geo 113 final, and I fit the full geologic time scale, plus a ton of other useful fossil info (the class was The Earth Through Time, very similar to Fossils) on a 5 by 8 index card, written by hand.

The binder is still very necessary though, for ID purposes. Expecting someone to be able to ID every specimen AND remember it's time range, geographic range, diet, etc is ridiculous. It's ridiculous for the bio ID events, and it'd be even more ridiculous for fossils.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby quizbowl » August 20th, 2010, 7:39 pm

yea, but really, one shouldnt need a binder to solely ID it. the first two pages could be laid out like this
name time span features mode of life interesting facts.
that would be suffice for that.
the next three pages could contain everything else one needs
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby quizbowl » August 20th, 2010, 7:40 pm

paleonaps95 wrote:I think the binder is fine. Why does it need to go?
Also, I doubt it will change as it is. My coach is pretty instrumental in the rules for this event, and he loves the binder.

mr. vorwald? i met him at states; had a nice fossils-rocks and minerals-geology related talk with him.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby lllazar » August 20th, 2010, 10:43 pm

Ok, for the sake of changing the subject:

Why we need a binder:
-Once we ID the specimens, we are usually asked questions about said specimens mode of life, diet, time range, trivial facts, morphology, etc.

That one reason enough can alone support why we need a binder. However, i do concur, the earth science/other important fossils related information (such as index fossil information, Symmetry, the major extinctions, important points in the timeline of life, etc) can be covered in less than 10 pages, max.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby amerikestrel » August 21st, 2010, 5:29 am

lllazar wrote:Ok, for the sake of changing the subject:

Why we need a binder:
-Once we ID the specimens, we are usually asked questions about said specimens mode of life, diet, time range, trivial facts, morphology, etc.

That one reason enough can alone support why we need a binder. However, i do concur, the earth science/other important fossils related information (such as index fossil information, Symmetry, the major extinctions, important points in the timeline of life, etc) can be covered in less than 10 pages, max.

That's the same thing that happens in ornithology, but we don't have binders there.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 21st, 2010, 5:50 am

quizbowl13 wrote:
paleonaps95 wrote:I think the binder is fine. Why does it need to go?
Also, I doubt it will change as it is. My coach is pretty instrumental in the rules for this event, and he loves the binder.

mr. vorwald? i met him at states; had a nice fossils-rocks and minerals-geology related talk with him.

Yes. He thinks that all id events should have a binder, and that using field guides only is a stupid idea. For this reason, we will most likely always have binders for fossils.
amerikestrel wrote:That's the same thing that happens in ornithology, but we don't have binders there.

That's why I think that we should have binders. The events are more similar than not, and I think that a binder actually may be more helpful for Ornithology than for Fossils. The field guide alone may work for fossils enough, but Ornithology has so much information... that being said, I think binders are best for both, but if I could only have one or the other, I would have it for Ornithology.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby quizbowl » August 21st, 2010, 5:54 am

the ornithology list has dozens more information than fossils. i agree, if only one event could have a binder, id give it to orni.
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Re: Fossils B/C

Postby paleonaps » August 21st, 2010, 7:36 am

Exactly. However, I think it is very likely that Fossils will have one and Ornithology won't.
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