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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby JSGandora » Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:16 pm

For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tornado guy » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:12 pm

JSGandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?


I've heard that is is better just to make and use a homemade binder rather then using a field guide in competition.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tornado guy » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:13 pm

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JSGandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?


I've heard that is is better just to make and use a homemade binder rather then using a field guide in competition, for the reasons you stated.

EDIT: Sorry I can't delete my second post.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby paleonaps » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:24 pm

tornado guy wrote:
JSGandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?


I've heard that is is better just to make and use a homemade binder rather then using a field guide in competition.

Much better. Are we allowed to use a homemade binder this year?
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tornado guy » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:44 pm

paleonaps wrote:
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JSGandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?


I've heard that is is better just to make and use a homemade binder rather then using a field guide in competition.

Much better. Are we allowed to use a homemade binder this year?


As far as I know, yes.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby JSGandora » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:48 pm

Haha, I see. Then what's the use of getting a field guide anyway? :P

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby rfscoach » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:02 pm

paleonaps wrote:
tornado guy wrote:
JSGandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?


I've heard that is is better just to make and use a homemade binder rather then using a field guide in competition.

Much better. Are we allowed to use a homemade binder this year?


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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby foreverphysics » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:27 am

Isn't it two pages of notes and two field guides? That's what they did for Ornithology last year...
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby butter side up » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:52 pm

foreverphysics wrote:Isn't it two pages of notes and two field guides? That's what they did for Ornithology last year...

Maybe, but for regionals for ornithology we were only allowed one guide and one page of notes per team. They told us that was the rule for regionals all the way up, and the 2 pages/ 2 guides were only allowed at invites. So when we followed that at states, they told us we could have 2.
So I guess it will depend on where you compete, but 2 pages of double-sided notes per team and 2 field guides seems to be standard for the ID events.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tornado guy » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:21 pm

butter side up wrote:Maybe, but for regionals for ornithology we were only allowed one guide and one page of notes per team. They told us that was the rule for regionals all the way up, and the 2 pages/ 2 guides were only allowed at invites. So when we followed that at states, they told us we could have 2.
So I guess it will depend on where you compete, but 2 pages of double-sided notes per team and 2 field guides seems to be standard for the ID events.


Depends on where you compete? Don't the rules apply the same to everyone?
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby AlphaTauri » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:43 pm

tornado guy wrote:
butter side up wrote:Maybe, but for regionals for ornithology we were only allowed one guide and one page of notes per team. They told us that was the rule for regionals all the way up, and the 2 pages/ 2 guides were only allowed at invites. So when we followed that at states, they told us we could have 2.
So I guess it will depend on where you compete, but 2 pages of double-sided notes per team and 2 field guides seems to be standard for the ID events.


Depends on where you compete? Don't the rules apply the same to everyone?
When there was Forestry back in 2004 didn't they allow binders?
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby JSGandora » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:55 pm

So it's pretty certain that no binder can be used this year? I remember earlier in thread it said that when a new ID event comes along, the first year a binder may be used and the second year only 1 or 2 pages of notes can be used (plus field guides for both years).

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby FueL » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:43 pm

tornado guy wrote:
paleonaps wrote:Much better. Are we allowed to use a homemade binder this year?


As far as I know, yes.

Where did you hear this from?

JS Gandora wrote:I remember earlier in thread it said that when a new ID event comes along, the first year a binder may be used and the second year only 1 or 2 pages of notes can be used (plus field guides for both years).

Not necessarily true. For ornithology we had 1 guide and 1 page of notes the first year, then 2 guides and 2 pages of notes the second year.

butter side up wrote:Maybe, but for regionals for ornithology we were only allowed one guide and one page of notes per team.

Last year, the rules said you could have one field guide per partner for all levels of competition (regionals, states, nationals). But some of the regional supervisors didn't read the rules carefully and thought they meant one field guide per team.

JS Gandora wrote:For those of you making a binder, are you going to use it over your field guide? I'm just putting information that can't be found in the field guide in the binder because the field guide is mainly for ID, correct?

You should be able to ID the specimen instantly, while the field guide is for the questions pertaining to facts about that tree. So yeah, a binder would be better if you're willing to put a lot of work into it.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tornado guy » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:48 pm

FueL wrote:
tornado guy wrote:
paleonaps wrote:Much better. Are we allowed to use a homemade binder this year?


As far as I know, yes.

Where did you hear this from?


That is what I had been told. Didn't they allow a binder back in 2004?
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby FueL » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:51 pm

tornado guy wrote:That is what I had been told. Didn't they allow a binder back in 2004?

Told by who? xD

Yeah, but considering that they didn't allow binders for the past two years in ornithology, it seems like the current trend is field guides over binders.
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