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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby fossilgirl13 » August 14th, 2011, 6:59 pm

tuftedtitmouse12 wrote:
fossilgirl13 wrote:Does anyone know any good forestry guides? The ones I found at the library weren't very helpful.

i think Audubon field guides for information
but for good pictures, i would recommend NWF

(i don't think that for forestry, drawings would be helpful...i prefer pictures)

I like pictures, too, so I guess I'll use the NWF. Thanks!
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby PacificGoldenPlover » August 14th, 2011, 9:12 pm

I actually would prefer drawings, simply because photographs can be really messed up, like in the Audubon Guides, where one pinecone might be shown from a very close up angle, and another shows 5 or so pinecones from farther away. A good field guide would need consistency in how it portrays specimens, and this is more easily accomplished with pictures.
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Postby JSGandora » August 15th, 2011, 9:01 am

I think I'm going to get two guides as recommended by Cheesy Pie. Besides NWF, I'm going to get one for supplementary info. Which do you think is better for information, Sibley, or Audobon?

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tuftedtitmouse12 » August 15th, 2011, 4:17 pm

audubon
(look at my post before)

and maybe getting info off a trusted website for each species or getting them off an encyclopedia would be good :)

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Postby NYLHVSSO » August 17th, 2011, 9:29 am

Hey everyone, I've just made the first Forestry practice test on the 2012 Test Exchange. It's based on the 2004 list.
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Oh, that's amazing, NYLHVSSO. Thanks.
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Postby kjhsscioly » August 17th, 2011, 10:21 pm

JSGandora wrote:I think I'm going to get two guides as recommended by Cheesy Pie. Besides NWF, I'm going to get one for supplementary info. Which do you think is better for information, Sibley, or Audobon?


Sibley is very pictoral, and audbon isn't quite, but does anyone know how many species on the old list are actually in each book?

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby blazer » August 17th, 2011, 10:32 pm

kjhsscioly wrote:
JSGandora wrote:I think I'm going to get two guides as recommended by Cheesy Pie. Besides NWF, I'm going to get one for supplementary info. Which do you think is better for information, Sibley, or Audobon?


Sibley is very pictoral, and audbon isn't quite, but does anyone know how many species on the old list are actually in each book?


All of the species are contained between the eastern and western regions of the audobon, as the list was based off them. Sibley contains all but 9: Soaptree Yucca, Bebb Willow, Pacific Willow, Scouler Willow, Frosted Hawthorn, Blue Paloverde, Jumping Cholla, Red-osier Dogwood, and Kukui. NWF contains all but 4: Black Hawthorn, Frosted Hawthorn, Toyon, and Kukui.
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Postby Cheesy Pie » August 18th, 2011, 5:10 am

Thank you. And Nylhvsso, can you show us the practice test?
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby JSGandora » August 18th, 2011, 7:56 am

It can be found here: http://scioly.org/wiki/2012_Test_Exchange#Forestry

blazer wrote:All of the species are contained between the eastern and western regions of the audobon, as the list was based off them. Sibley contains all but 9: Soaptree Yucca, Bebb Willow, Pacific Willow, Scouler Willow, Frosted Hawthorn, Blue Paloverde, Jumping Cholla, Red-osier Dogwood, and Kukui. NWF contains all but 4: Black Hawthorn, Frosted Hawthorn, Toyon, and Kukui.

Thanks for your reply.

For people who are going to use books that don't contain some of the trees, how are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to completely memorize those? Or would you just rather get a less practical field guide with all the trees?

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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby blazer » August 18th, 2011, 1:53 pm

JSGandora wrote:Thanks for your reply.

For people who are going to use books that don't contain some of the trees, how are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to completely memorize those? Or would you just rather get a less practical field guide with all the trees?


I think when they made the new list, they did not base it off of audubon again, as they wanted to give competitors the decision of what guide to use. I also think they looked at the guides on the market(like Sibley and NWF) and took some of the missing species off the list. My guess is that they will again endorse some guide that has all the species, like last year's Peterson, while other guides will only lack one or two species. Having said that, last year in ornithology I competed with the Smithsonian, which did not have the northern jacana. I just memorized how to identify it and wrote its information on my sheet.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tuftedtitmouse12 » August 18th, 2011, 4:46 pm

exactly
(i would have done that but i used peterson)

i am guessing audubon will be what the peterson field guide was, for ornithology... but this is my assumption...since last time this was an event, the lists i saw were very detailed and signified which field guide contained what trees...
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby FueL » August 19th, 2011, 4:39 pm

JSGandora wrote:For people who are going to use books that don't contain some of the trees, how are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to completely memorize those? Or would you just rather get a less practical field guide with all the trees?


We had about 3 birds that weren't included in our guides for ornithology, and copied their info from either another guide or the Internet onto our notesheet.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby Cheesy Pie » August 20th, 2011, 8:45 am

In Fossils, I used an old test. I'd recommend this, as this (a) helps you study, and (b) gives you an idea on what this year's test might be like.
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Re: Preliminary:Forestry

Postby tuftedtitmouse12 » August 20th, 2011, 10:33 am

FueL wrote:
JSGandora wrote:For people who are going to use books that don't contain some of the trees, how are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to completely memorize those? Or would you just rather get a less practical field guide with all the trees?


We had about 3 birds that weren't included in our guides for ornithology, and copied their info from either another guide or the Internet onto our notesheet.

yes that is what i would recommend
i would rather have a field guide very informative missing a few specimens...

but then again, it depends. if one field guide has all specimens but is fairly vague with info about each while the other is very informative but is missing 10 or more specimens, i first see if the info one has a lot of space...if it does and you have room on your cheat sheet for them, then i would type it up in 7 size font and maybe write in a few specimens into the book.
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