Pennsylvania 2011

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby oh joy » May 3rd, 2011, 5:34 pm

Rfeynman, even if you're upset about this, I don't think it's right to bash Athens for doing what they had to.
First of all, you don't have solid proof of them cheating.
Second, states is already over and there's nothing you can really do about it.
Third, some people really enjoy Olympiad and we don't want these negative things to destroy the spirit of Olympiad.
Fourth, if Athens turned out not to be cheating, you would be the one at terrible guilt of accusing them such.
Fifth, Athens hosts invites every year and they have the experience of holding an Olympiad event.
Sixth, they had to do it because no one else would.
And last but not least, I think that if you accuse them of cheating, you should keep it to yourself or voice your concerns to your coaches or to the Athens Olympiad team. Putting it out on the web for everyone to see is not the best way to do this because your negative words are not solving any problems. People in Athens could be reading this right now--in fact, many people from other schools are reading this and feeling very disturbed, myself included. Complaining on the internet is not helpful--if you really think there is a problem, you should be responsible for finding out if your accusations hold any truth and then bring it to people of authority.

To people from Athens: I am very sorry for what happened and we are very grateful for what you guys did for all the teams at states. Keep up the good work! We're here to support you guys!
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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby sean9keenan » May 3rd, 2011, 5:50 pm

As a former builder for Harriton, being involved in the design and construction of a lot of the builds I can say that I never had help from my parents (unless you count help as allowing me to stay up late and store equipment in my room). I also truly believe that this is the case for most competitive schools in C division, parents don't have the dedication and time to put in an event that a student in High School does, period.

As to competition day, I know that I've made quite a few mistakes before, no matter how many times I fired that Trajectory, I still fired it once without the projectile in it (and was made fun of for it for quite some time ;-) ). Stupid mistakes happen, no matter how much your practice. Although, that's not to say that practice doesn't pay, too many times have I heard "the device worked last night, we were unlucky that it didn't work today", many of the top teams have devices that they have run successfully hundreds of times, when they don't work, that's when it's really unlucky.

Instead of accusing other teams of cheating just work harder and look towards the next competition, it'll make your victory that much sweeter.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby anon y mouse » May 3rd, 2011, 11:12 pm

I hesitated before posting this response, because we have already dedicated too much time to this troll. But I think it better to err on the side of condemning stupidity rather than ignoring it, as a general rule.

I will only speak to what I have the most expertise and knowledge of, which are building events. I am on Harriton, and I have been involved at some level in every single one of our builds this year. The single most informative and useful part of states for me was a discussion I had with a builder on Athens' team. He is as smart, courteous, and dedicated a builder as I have ever met, and quite frankly, out-designed us in many events. I was able to speak to many of his teammates, both competing and non-competing members, and I had the exact same impression of them. The hours Athens pours into each event should be an source of admiration, not accusations of cheating.

rfeynman: kindly do yourself a favor and drop this ridiculous crap.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby butter side up » May 4th, 2011, 12:22 pm

rfeynman wrote:First of all sorry if youre from harriton and got offended that wasn't the intent. And to anyone who says teams dont cheat and that they are how about the fact that I have overheard the coaches and parents there talking about what they did, im not even kidding, at states there was even some adult using a dremel on something from athens, they absolutely do NOT build everything themselves and it didn't take a forensics team to realize that

I would encourage you to not jump to conclusions- the incident you mentioned was another team using the outlet near Athens home base, the adult there was supervising the use of the dremel tool. Niether Athens, nor the team using the outlet had help from coaches or parents beyond basic supervision and insruction.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby googlyfrog » May 4th, 2011, 5:19 pm

Ok, now that we've beaten that to death, Shadyside/Harriton/Penncrest, are you driving or flying?

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby mingtian » May 4th, 2011, 5:20 pm

harriton always drives

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby biogirl14 » May 4th, 2011, 6:22 pm

Actually, I think Harriton might be flying, although I don't know for certain.
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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby Osennecho » May 4th, 2011, 7:15 pm

This is random and delayed :p very very delayed :lol:
But could anyone from Harriton find out and reply (if they still remember) their time/distance on the laser shoot at states.
I was one of the 2 members in Optics for Rustin and we were wondering as to how much that played into us getting 2nd rather than 1st (if any, but im assuming so based upon :arrow: ). Our jigs didn't fit with the size of the mirror stand there, so we ended up taking around 110 seconds (total fail :roll: ) and got 11mm off. We didn't find the test that difficult, and felt we had 0-2 wrong in all likelihood.
~Anyways GL at nationals
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Astronomy (6th, 7th, 16th)
Dynamic Planet (N/A, N/A, 11th)
Optics (2nd, 3rd, 5th)
Remote Sensing (N/A, 5th, 47th)

Team Overall (3rd, 2nd, 14th)
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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby sciolygrl258 » May 4th, 2011, 7:39 pm

Shady Side is driving, its about 10 hours... not that bad...
PA STATES 2012:
Optics: 3rd
Experimental Design: 5th

Team: 1st!!!!! XDD

17 hr bus drive to Orlando? I think yes! ^o^

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby Ceram89 » May 4th, 2011, 7:49 pm

Hey Osennecho,

I wasn't able to compete in Optics at states because of conflicts, but I spoke with those who did and here's what I heard. The mirror set up was apparently very weird, with strange frames and second surface mirrors which possibly (I may have heard this wrong) were slightly curved? Anyways, they sucked. We ended up taking longer than normal because of that, and ended up taking around 60-70 seconds getting around 3 cm off. Depending on where on that range we actually fell, we may or may not have beaten you on the LSS. They felt like the test was easy as well. I think we felt pretty confident with all our answers, so you may have gotten 1 wrong whereas we got 0, or 2 whereas we got 1. I'm sure it was close though.


Also, to respond to the earlier questions, for the first time I can remember, we are flying! I think the last time we flew was 4 years ago, so we're enjoying the luxury :P
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Nationals: 4 / - / - / - / 1 / 6. Team: 8th
States: 2 / 2/ 1/ - / 1 / 1. Team: 1st
Regionals: 2 / - / 4 / 4 / 1 / 1. Team: 1st

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby ichaelm » May 4th, 2011, 7:56 pm

Osennecho wrote:This is random and delayed :p very very delayed :lol:
But could anyone from Harriton find out and reply (if they still remember) their time/distance on the laser shoot at states.
I was one of the 2 members in Optics for Rustin and we were wondering as to how much that played into us getting 2nd rather than 1st (if any, but im assuming so based upon :arrow: ). Our jigs didn't fit with the size of the mirror stand there, so we ended up taking around 110 seconds (total fail :roll: ) and got 11mm off. We didn't find the test that difficult, and felt we had 0-2 wrong in all likelihood.
~Anyways GL at nationals

I'm one of the two who competed for Harriton in optics at states! As Ceram said, I remember it took 60-70 seconds for us, and we got about 24 mm off. Those are approximate numbers though. That means we got nearly the same score on the laser shoot! So unless we got the same score on the test, I guess it would have come down to that. Yeah, the mirrors were a bit weird, I agree. Definitely not 5 cm, and the frames made it difficult. It took us longer than normal too. I'm sure that happened to a whole lot of teams. We didn't find the test so difficult either, so I'm sure we were very close!

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby Osennecho » May 4th, 2011, 8:32 pm

Alright :D so it was definantly close XD. Although i didn't like most of the LSS setup, i did however, like that they did not cover the mirrors with a post it note. It was a pain at one invitational this year in which I went from placing to not because the mirror moved when we removed a post-it :evil:
And the judge was nice <.<.. We split the laser slightly....and the larger part hit 11mm away.. When i saw it split I was :shock:
I never really thought to figure out what happens if it splits so I was just awkwardly standing there wondering what was going to happen :oops:
Anyways thanks and good luck at nationals.
2012 Events: (Regionals, States, Nationals); N/A=conflict
Astronomy (6th, 7th, 16th)
Dynamic Planet (N/A, N/A, 11th)
Optics (2nd, 3rd, 5th)
Remote Sensing (N/A, 5th, 47th)

Team Overall (3rd, 2nd, 14th)
It's been a life changing 6 year experience.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby bam » May 5th, 2011, 12:08 pm

sciolygrl258 wrote:Shady Side is driving, its about 10 hours... not that bad...



Luckkyy! I don't know what I'm gonna do on a bus for 18 hours.......
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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby googlyfrog » May 5th, 2011, 12:47 pm

Study. :roll:

As bam indicated, we're driving and I'm not exactly sure of how long the ride will be. I've heard a range from 15-18 hours. I think our objection with flying was safety of the building events and also things are always hectic at airports, so things and people could get lost very easily.

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Re: Pennsylvania 2011

Postby sciolygrl258 » May 5th, 2011, 1:35 pm

Since its a 15-28hr drive, I'm guessing you get a coach bus so bring lots and lots of movies and music
Study for your events... but for us that doesnt usually last very long... :roll:
if you have finals the next week like us, studyy for that
PA STATES 2012:
Optics: 3rd
Experimental Design: 5th

Team: 1st!!!!! XDD

17 hr bus drive to Orlando? I think yes! ^o^


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