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WWP South, graduated 2018
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Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
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OofAlex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
Feels bad
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it definetly isnt right and makes no sense, but i wouldn't call it unfair. i mean, all teams knew it counted. it was up to them to invest time in it or not...dxu46 wrote:Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
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If heli hadn't been thrown out yet year, Monty would've won. Today, if trial events didn't count, but also if the appeals people submitted were accepted, if the competition on Tuesday wasn't cancelled because of snow, if the tests which were kinda easy but still within the rules were a bit harder, if every team were given the same conflicts... there's any number of things which could have changed the results, there's any number of ways we could cherry pick the data and argue a certain team is, underneath, the best. I felt no joy from this tournament, unlike 2016 States where we also lost but participating felt worthwhile, but how I feel about the tournament does not decide if it counts or not. Since we can't send all of NJ to Nats, we don't actually know which team would be the best in this year's Nats to see if it even agrees with today's results, but we just have to deal with NJSO's method of running tournaments. My partners and I in some of my events, we chose answers we didn't consider technically correct because we know how NJ States works, we thought they were looking for the simplistic answer or something, not the real one. We knew going in that there would be trial events counted and poorly run events and who knows what other problems, and the team which wins despite those problems goes to Nats. Oh well.Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
If I sound slightly salty, I'm sorry, I'm still trying to sound a lot calmer than I feel? But we'll live.
Congrats to North for winning. Congrats to South for being in the top 2 since 2006 consecutively. Congrats to Monty for being really close behind South once again. Congrats to JPS for really improving. Congrats to Community for it's umpteenth trip to Nats and to Monty Middle for regaining 2nd. Idk enough about the other teams to know what to congratulate them for besides working hard but yeah.
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Solar vehicle definitely shouldn't have counted... especially after all of those last-minute changes. (ofc it wouldn't be enough to make a difference)shrewdPanther46 wrote:it definetly isnt right and makes no sense, but i wouldn't call it unfair. i mean, all teams knew it counted. it was up to them to invest time in it or not...dxu46 wrote:Why do trial events count? Aren't they supposed to just be test events? This is a bit unfair. I think Nationals does it right by not counting trials because they aren't real events.Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
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^Love this . SciOly will never be perfect and the teams that understand this and can adapt will do the best. While NJ certainly seems to be a lot more different than most states in terms of how things are run, teams knew going in and therefore it's hardly fair to say the results are unfair in that sense. A few events do seem a little off though (chem lab)...knottingpurple wrote:If heli hadn't been thrown out yet year, Monty would've won. Today, if trial events didn't count, but also if the appeals people submitted were accepted, if the competition on Tuesday wasn't cancelled because of snow, if the tests which were kinda easy but still within the rules were a bit harder, if every team were given the same conflicts... there's any number of things which could have changed the results, there's any number of ways we could cherry pick the data and argue a certain team is, underneath, the best. I felt no joy from this tournament, unlike 2016 States where we also lost but participating felt worthwhile, but how I feel about the tournament does not decide if it counts or not. Since we can't send all of NJ to Nats, we don't actually know which team would be the best in this year's Nats to see if it even agrees with today's results, but we just have to deal with NJSO's method of running tournaments. My partners and I in some of my events, we chose answers we didn't consider technically correct because we know how NJ States works, we thought they were looking for the simplistic answer or something, not the real one. We knew going in that there would be trial events counted and poorly run events and who knows what other problems, and the team which wins despite those problems goes to Nats. Oh well.Alex-RCHS wrote:If trial events didn’t count, South would have won
If I sound slightly salty, I'm sorry, I'm still trying to sound a lot calmer than I feel? But we'll live.
Congrats to North for winning. Congrats to South for being in the top 2 since 2006 consecutively. Congrats to Monty for being really close behind South once again. Congrats to JPS for really improving. Congrats to Community for it's umpteenth trip to Nats and to Monty Middle for regaining 2nd. Idk enough about the other teams to know what to congratulate them for besides working hard but yeah.
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