Herpetology B/C

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Unome » February 8th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Kyanite wrote:
dragonfruit35 wrote:How do you guys differentiate between Gyrinophilus and Pseudotriton? As far as we can tell, Pseudotriton has more prominent black spots and Gyrinophilus appears to (sometimes?) have yellow eyes, but we’re having a bit of trouble differentiating between the two, so if anyone has any tips that would be great :D


For me I thought Gyrinophilus's eyes seem to be farther back from the tip of the snout and the head just looks "boxier" while Pseudotrition had a more rounded face.

The head shape and spot patterns are my go-to features.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby windu34 » February 10th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Princeton Herpetology Exam
I already posted in the Princeton Invitational forum, but I thought I would post some information here that may be helpful to those that took my exam and those that will take it in the future. I would encourage all of you to take it under the testing conditions described below.
Testing Conditions:
Time per station: 2:15
Transition: 7 seconds
I was fairly lax on binders, but I did force some teams to give up their field guides that were not in binders.
Statistics:
Out of 398 (Changed from 400 due to answer sheet error):
1st: 200
6th: ~140
20th: ~100
30th: ~75
Mean: 93
I believe Princeton SO will be releasing histograms so I wont bother with that information.
By most alumni-ES standards, a test is successful if the high score is above 50%. I typically aim for 60%, but since the top 6 had such a nice point spread, Im pretty satisfied.
Difficulty
I consider this exam to be one of the most difficult ones out there right next to Joyce Gu's MIT exams. The ID portion of my exams is never meant to be tricky - if you know it, you know it. I dont see value in trying to "trick" teams by giving obscure/bad images. I did force teams to identify between similar-looking genus' because that is certainly a good skill to pinpoint.
I had a pretty fair mix of question difficulty, but it definitely leaned to the hard side. I really dislike writing multiple choice questions, so I usually opt for true/false (which also suck, but are better to write). I tried to tap into little anatomy, ecology, physics, and a few other disciplines because I always enjoyed those questions that I could use my intuition from other events to answer.
For most of the stations, I kinda just randomly picked a family/genus and started googling, wrote about 6-8 pts worth of questions from basic sources (wiki, other normal websites) and then started diving into the literature to look for interesting things. I typically start in google scholar and then branch out if I get fixated on a specific topic of interest. I also got some ideas from my old Invasives partner who is now in her senior year and a competitor in the event. This definitely was a huge help in getting inspiration for some of the wackier and more interesting stations that I would not have been able to come up with myself.
Testing strategies
I noticed that many teams struggled to complete stations in the given amount of time. Although it certainly was a time crunch, I know there are definitely teams out there that could have done it, and I did not see very many teams practicing good ID event strategies so I thought I would discuss this a bit. Good strategies that I saw included:
Test Alternating: I characterize this as when partners alternate between writing on the answer sheet and looking in their binder/reading the questions on the stations. Typically, they start on opposite ends of the station and work towards each other. This is probably the most efficient method to answer all of the questions. When I was a competitor, my partner and I always used this method to answer all the questions. We typically would ID together and then I would start on the last question and she would start on the 2nd one.
Info feeding: This is basically when one partner is telling the other what to write and there is a "division of labor". I feel this is less effective than the above, but probably works better if one partner is significantly better-versed in the event than the other.
Far too many teams were relaxed during the exam. If you dont wish the test was over after the 10th station, you are probably not trying hard enough. ID events are a test of endurance and the teams that push themselves to continue answering questions as fast as they can for the entire 50 minutes are the teams that will do the best.
Comment on intuition:
Something that I think is particularly important is for teams to develop intuition in ID events rather than blindly relying on info from a binder. This is the reason I take the extra step of going into publications and incorporating information into my exams. I do not include extremely specific details - I present teams with data that was uncovered in the experiments and have them draw conclusions from it. I believe application questions like this are the heart and soul of science olympiad and are rarely seen in ID events. That is something I would like to help change.
Specimens
Although I couldnt get real specimens for logistical reasons (I do not attend Princeton, and coordinating specimens would be rather difficult), I did the next best thing and got some rubber frogs to use for IDing amplexus. I hope teams got a kick out of it. They worked pretty well and the staples I used to hold them in position actually held throughout the day.
Conclusion
I hope you all enjoy the test and I do hope it helps you in preparation for regionals/states/nationals. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me!
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Reema.panini » February 12th, 2019, 2:05 pm

So does anyone know for sure if the species that they are using in the tests are gonna be from North America only? We’ve been studying those species, but from reading through, it looks like we should study for every other specie as well.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby kate! » February 12th, 2019, 2:22 pm

Reema.panini wrote:So does anyone know for sure if the species that they are using in the tests are gonna be from North America only? We’ve been studying those species, but from reading through, it looks like we should study for every other specie as well.

First of all, we live in North America, so it's very likely that we'd be tested on North American specimens, just like at a state competition the test writer might ask a question about your specific state. Second of all, we only study the taxa on the official list, and we're only really supposed to study species if the genus has two major ones and we need to know the difference. (For example, genus Glyptemys with bog turtle and wood turtle.) But you should only be taking notes on genera and higher classifications on the list (except the ones I just described).
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 12th, 2019, 3:57 pm

Hey everyone! I was doing some practice tests for herpetology and I found that the source I had (Animaldiversity.org , which is being recommended by a ton of people so I'm pretty sure it is reliable) said that the sexual maturity of a species was 3-4 years, but the actual answer was 2 years. Will points be taken off on the real test, or will they be more lenient? Is there anyway to avoid this?
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby kate! » February 12th, 2019, 4:57 pm

GurtYo wrote:Hey everyone! I was doing some practice tests for herpetology and I found that the source I had (Animaldiversity.org , which is being recommended by a ton of people so I'm pretty sure it is reliable) said that the sexual maturity of a species was 3-4 years, but the actual answer was 2 years. Will points be taken off on the real test, or will they be more lenient? Is there anyway to avoid this?

Answers on tests will vary because information about most taxa varies depending on species and the source of the data, so I'm sure a proctor would be more lenient and probably have a range of acceptable answers.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F » February 12th, 2019, 5:56 pm

kate! wrote:
GurtYo wrote:Hey everyone! I was doing some practice tests for herpetology and I found that the source I had (Animaldiversity.org , which is being recommended by a ton of people so I'm pretty sure it is reliable) said that the sexual maturity of a species was 3-4 years, but the actual answer was 2 years. Will points be taken off on the real test, or will they be more lenient? Is there anyway to avoid this?

Answers on tests will vary because information about most taxa varies depending on species and the source of the data, so I'm sure a proctor would be more lenient and probably have a range of acceptable answers.

The only real way to avoid this would be to look at a variety of websites and compare the sexual maturities, which is really a pain.

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 13th, 2019, 5:14 pm

UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:
kate! wrote:
GurtYo wrote:Hey everyone! I was doing some practice tests for herpetology and I found that the source I had (Animaldiversity.org , which is being recommended by a ton of people so I'm pretty sure it is reliable) said that the sexual maturity of a species was 3-4 years, but the actual answer was 2 years. Will points be taken off on the real test, or will they be more lenient? Is there anyway to avoid this?

Answers on tests will vary because information about most taxa varies depending on species and the source of the data, so I'm sure a proctor would be more lenient and probably have a range of acceptable answers.

The only real way to avoid this would be to look at a variety of websites and compare the sexual maturities, which is really a pain.


Thanks! Regionals is in March so I am running out of time. Hopefully, they will be more lenient.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 13th, 2019, 5:21 pm

GurtYo wrote:
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:
kate! wrote:Answers on tests will vary because information about most taxa varies depending on species and the source of the data, so I'm sure a proctor would be more lenient and probably have a range of acceptable answers.

The only real way to avoid this would be to look at a variety of websites and compare the sexual maturities, which is really a pain.


Thanks! Regionals is in March so I am running out of time. Hopefully, they will be more lenient.


Also, can you recommend any sources? I am currently using ADW, Wikipedia, and Live Science.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby cbrant554 » February 13th, 2019, 5:55 pm

GurtYo wrote:
GurtYo wrote:
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:The only real way to avoid this would be to look at a variety of websites and compare the sexual maturities, which is really a pain.


Thanks! Regionals is in March so I am running out of time. Hopefully, they will be more lenient.


Also, can you recommend any sources? I am currently using ADW, Wikipedia, and Live Science.

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 15th, 2019, 3:23 pm

cbrant554 wrote:
GurtYo wrote:
GurtYo wrote:
Thanks! Regionals is in March so I am running out of time. Hopefully, they will be more lenient.


Also, can you recommend any sources? I am currently using ADW, Wikipedia, and Live Science.

This is from the official site https://www.soinc.org/sites/default/fil ... ources.pdf


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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Pastaman202 » February 16th, 2019, 6:29 am

GurtYo wrote:
GurtYo wrote:
UTF-8 U+6211 U+662F wrote:The only real way to avoid this would be to look at a variety of websites and compare the sexual maturities, which is really a pain.


Thanks! Regionals is in March so I am running out of time. Hopefully, they will be more lenient.


Also, can you recommend any sources? I am currently using ADW, Wikipedia, and Live Science.




Most of those sources contains species facts, so whenever you see something different on a test, the proctors are probably looking at a different species of the same genus.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby GurtYo » February 16th, 2019, 12:39 pm

Does anyone have binder compiling tips? What should be included for each species, the amount of info, how to find information quickly when taking the test, things like that.
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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby dvegadvol » February 16th, 2019, 2:42 pm

To start, make a template: ID, Anatomy, Physiology, etc and use it for each entry. Use a map to show where it is present, pictures to help ID and use a small typeface, allowing room to pencil in notes from each invitational... That's a start

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Re: Herpetology B/C

Postby Reema.panini » February 18th, 2019, 6:10 pm

kate! wrote:
Reema.panini wrote:So does anyone know for sure if the species that they are using in the tests are gonna be from North America only? We’ve been studying those species, but from reading through, it looks like we should study for every other specie as well.

First of all, we live in North America, so it's very likely that we'd be tested on North American specimens, just like at a state competition the test writer might ask a question about your specific state. Second of all, we only study the taxa on the official list, and we're only really supposed to study species if the genus has two major ones and we need to know the difference. (For example, genus Glyptemys with bog turtle and wood turtle.) But you should only be taking notes on genera and higher classifications on the list (except the ones I just described).


Ok so I actually just got put onto this event cuz the other person dropped out so I really have no clue what to do and my regional comp is in a couple of weeks. I’ve been using the National Audubon Society Field Guide, but I’ve been getting confused because, for example, under Mud turtles, it lists the the species Mexican, Sonora, Striped, Yellow, and then a Mud Turtle with the subspecies Eastern (k.s.subrubrum), Florida (k.s.steindachneri), and Mississippi (k.s.hippocrepis). I don’t know whether to list info for all the species, only use the specific Mud Turtle listing, or just only put the general info it gave at the top of the section on the entire Kinosternidae family. So hopefully you can understand my confusion. I would ask my partner but she hasn’t done anything at all regarding this event. Thanks!
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