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Most Competitive States

Post by Booknerd » June 5th, 2020, 6:39 pm

I feel like there have been lots of states that have been known to be extremely competitive and are notorious for teams that consistently do well at nats. I thought this could be a topic for discussion. Which states do you think are the most competitive? Least competitive?

Maybe to organize state rankings in terms of competitiveness, they could be categorized into 4 groups:
-Notoriously Extreme: States with consistently high-ranking nats teams and highly competitive state tournaments, 3+ nationally recognized powerhouse teams
-Competitive: States with 1-2 powerhouse teams, strong teams, but not a state that is notorious for being extremely competitive
-Simple: A state that doesn't stand out as competitive, but doesn't stand out as very uncompetitive either
-Passive: A state that is recognized as one that is not as competitive as other states

I don't mean to start a fiery debate over this; I just want to see if there are some generalizations that can be made about certain states.
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by jaggie34 » June 5th, 2020, 6:43 pm

Booknerd wrote:
June 5th, 2020, 6:39 pm
I feel like there have been lots of states that have been known to be extremely competitive and are notorious for teams that consistently do well at nats. I thought this could be a topic for discussion. Which states do you think are the most competitive? Least competitive?

Maybe to organize state rankings in terms of competitiveness, they could be categorized into 4 groups:
-Notoriously Extreme: States with consistently high-ranking nats teams and highly competitive state tournaments, 3+ nationally recognized powerhouse teams
-Competitive: States with 1-2 powerhouse teams, strong teams, but not a state that is notorious for being extremely competitive
-Simple: A state that doesn't stand out as competitive, but doesn't stand out as very uncompetitive either
-Passive: A state that is recognized as one that is not as competitive as other states

I don't mean to start a fiery debate over this; I just want to see if there are some generalizations that can be made about certain states.
As a Floridian, I'd say we're low Competitive tier
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Post by MadCow2357 » June 5th, 2020, 7:31 pm

RI is passive for sure lmfao
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by SilverBreeze » June 5th, 2020, 8:35 pm

Do we need to talk about California?
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by Name » June 6th, 2020, 12:13 am

-Notoriously Extreme: NorCal, Michigan (-), New Jersey, Ohio(+), Pennsylvania, Texas
-Competitive: SoCal(+), Florida (-), Georgia, New York, North Carolina, Virginia (-), Washington (-)
-Simple: Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts (+), Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin
-Passive: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado (+), Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, DC

Kinda subjective so sorry if you disagree.
For Notoriously Extreme I put in a criteria that the race for a nats bid was uncertain (why SoCal is not there). Differentiating between Simple and Passive was for the most part just nationals placings.
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by SilverBreeze » June 6th, 2020, 2:05 am

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June 6th, 2020, 12:13 am
-Notoriously Extreme: NorCal, Michigan (-), New Jersey, Ohio(+), Pennsylvania, Texas
-Competitive: SoCal(+), Florida (-), Georgia, New York, North Carolina, Virginia (-), Washington (-)
-Simple: Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts (+), Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin
-Passive: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado (+), Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, DC

Kinda subjective so sorry if you disagree.
For Notoriously Extreme I put in a criteria that the race for a nats bid was uncertain (why SoCal is not there). Differentiating between Simple and Passive was for the most part just nationals placings.
Not too familiar with other states, but I think SoCal Div. B qualifies for Notoriously Extreme. Div. B and C tend to be similar, so grouping them together makes sense, but not always.
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by Booknerd » June 6th, 2020, 5:57 am

Name wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 12:13 am
-Notoriously Extreme: NorCal, Michigan (-), New Jersey, Ohio(+), Pennsylvania, Texas
-Competitive: SoCal(+), Florida (-), Georgia, New York, North Carolina, Virginia (-), Washington (-)
-Simple: Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts (+), Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin
-Passive: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado (+), Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, DC

Kinda subjective so sorry if you disagree.
For Notoriously Extreme I put in a criteria that the race for a nats bid was uncertain (why SoCal is not there). Differentiating between Simple and Passive was for the most part just nationals placings.
Where's Illinois?
Would you consider Illinois to be on the notoriously extreme or the competitive? (I think that DWJHS, Marie Murphy, New Trier, and Adlai Stevenson could be considered powerhouses)
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by pb5754 » June 6th, 2020, 6:00 am

Booknerd wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 5:57 am
Name wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 12:13 am
-Notoriously Extreme: NorCal, Michigan (-), New Jersey, Ohio(+), Pennsylvania, Texas
-Competitive: SoCal(+), Florida (-), Georgia, New York, North Carolina, Virginia (-), Washington (-)
-Simple: Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts (+), Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin
-Passive: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado (+), Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, DC

Kinda subjective so sorry if you disagree.
For Notoriously Extreme I put in a criteria that the race for a nats bid was uncertain (why SoCal is not there). Differentiating between Simple and Passive was for the most part just nationals placings.
Where's Illinois?
Would you consider Illinois to be on the notoriously extreme or the competitive? (I think that DWJHS, Marie Murphy, New Trier, and Adlai Stevenson could be considered powerhouses)
I'd put Illinois into competitive (for both divisions).
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by gz839918 » June 6th, 2020, 6:48 am

A look at how this topic has changed over time:

The corresponding thread from 2012
The corresponding thread from 2016

It'll be absolutely fascinating to see what folks say 4 years from now, when people will look back at us in 2020 and wonder why things have changed or stayed the same after all these years.
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Re: Most Competitive States

Post by EwwPhysics » June 6th, 2020, 7:06 am

SilverBreeze wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 2:05 am
Name wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 12:13 am
-Notoriously Extreme: NorCal, Michigan (-), New Jersey, Ohio(+), Pennsylvania, Texas
-Competitive: SoCal(+), Florida (-), Georgia, New York, North Carolina, Virginia (-), Washington (-)
-Simple: Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts (+), Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, Wisconsin
-Passive: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado (+), Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, DC

Kinda subjective so sorry if you disagree.
For Notoriously Extreme I put in a criteria that the race for a nats bid was uncertain (why SoCal is not there). Differentiating between Simple and Passive was for the most part just nationals placings.
Not too familiar with other states, but I think SoCal Div. B qualifies for Notoriously Extreme. Div. B and C tend to be similar, so grouping them together makes sense, but not always.
Yeah, div B vs div C makes a difference in some states. For example, I’d put PA C as Notoriously Extreme, but PA B as maybe the higher end of Competitive (although we’ve been getting more competitive recently with Harlan Rowe etc)
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